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Albanese A Goner in 2025?

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Hi Paul,

We all have a view of the world. That view is opinion, not bias. Bias implies a deliberate distortion of fact. I have no doubt that you believe the factual accuracy of your opinions, and I am open to changing my opinions if the facts supporting them is shown to be incorrect. As I've said, I think the fact that people have differing opinions a great thing, responsible for the development of knowledge and underpinning democracy, although I'd guess the original content to be well below 1%, not the 5% your friend suggested.

Hi Foxy,

Maybe you could get in a time machine, go back to 1788 and take the Brits to the International Court of Justice. Likewise you could go back thousands of years further and take past migratory waves of people to the Australian continent to the International Court. I could even go back to 1066 and take William of Normandy to the International Court, or go back further and likewise stop the Vikings or Romans. Too bad for me that my existence should cease were any of those invaders in my bloodline.

Australians rejected apartheid by bloodline by a democratic process. To argue that such division should be upheld because it is the natural order of things is authoritarian and undemocratic. The flag of a local footy club could fly alongside the Australian flag if it were the will of the majority of voters. That's democracy. Who voted for the indigenous flag to fly alongside the Australian flag, or wtc/aoc for that matter?
Posted by Fester, Saturday, 14 December 2024 10:37:06 AM
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Hi Fester,

I think we live in the best country in the world.

Australia is a process of revelation of unveiling to
the world the surprising facts abouy ourselves that
nobody knew.

To me flying our Indigenous flag shows our recognition of
our Frst Nations people. It provides unity and a commitment
towards reconciliation. More importantly, it gives the
Indigenous people a connection to their culture, heritage and
pride.

I think that's important for all of us.

I understand your difference of opinion. You're not alone in this.
After all so many Australians voted against The Voice.
We'll have to wait and see what the future holds.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 14 December 2024 11:02:16 AM
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"Talking about facts? One can only cite from reputable sources like the
Australian Bureau of Statistics"

Citing facts is one thing and any fool can dig up some facts.

Citing relevant facts is much more difficult and a feat Foxy has yet to master.

Its a fact that the current government has spent the future to keep the jobless number down in the lead up to an election. But that is irrelevant to a family lining up for a charity food parcel due to policies of the government and its a fact that there are a lot more such people due to the government's policies.

See the difference? Probably not. But they're only the discarded working class. Much more important to swoon over a fabricated flag.
Posted by mhaze, Saturday, 14 December 2024 1:13:16 PM
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mhaze,

you're so predictable.

Next you'll be telling us it's all the fault of
AntiSemites.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 14 December 2024 1:44:28 PM
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There was no aboriginal flag when the British landed in Australia. The idea would have been beyond their understanding.

When aborigines saw the British flag raised in 1788, I'll bet they didn't say, “Wow. We must get one of those for ourselves”. It was 183 years after that before someone with nothing better to do thought it would be a good idea to have an aboriginal flag, and only 29 years ago that Paul Keating decided that it would be a good idea to make it official.

Since then, the aboriginal flag has been a symbol of division and official racism.

While it probably could have been a harmless indulgence if Keating had not made it his business to make it official, it should never have been flown anywhere near our national flag, under which all Australians of all races and creeds live.

I agree with Peter Dutton’s attitude; it could restore dignity to our national flag, and go some way towards the beginning of a solidarity that Australia has been lacking due to identity politics.
Posted by ttbn, Saturday, 14 December 2024 2:01:52 PM
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http://artark.com.au/blogs/news/the-aboriginal-flag

Talking about flags?

We should remember that there wasn't an Australian flag
when the British landed in Australia and for decades the
Australian flag was British - the Union Jack.
It still has the Union Jack on it.
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 14 December 2024 3:01:37 PM
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