Paul and Foxy,

Wong has bleated about a two-state solution. She should know the history ... this has been offered five time in the past and each time rejected by Palestinians.

It seems that many blame Israel ... telling them to lay down their arms.No urging of Hamas to do so.

Hamas are Islamist, fundamentalists. They do not have a Western moral belief system. They believe that every Palestinian killed is a martyr ... and why deprive them of that. They treat their women appallingly.

They are not interested in a Palestinian state, but the destruction of non-Islamic Israel ... They would be of any non-Islamic society ... country.

Paul and Foxy,

Do you think Israel should desert the hostages. I personally think that it would be immoral to do so, but know that others, perhaps yourselves might think that for the sake of peace, it would be practical to do so.

Israel can't be blamed for the ongoing conflict. They are fighting not just for the hostages, but survival.

If Hamas released the hostages and laid down its arms, there would be peace. Is that so very hard?

Foxy,

You continue to state that you do your research.

If your interest is Israel/Palestinians you would surely study primary sources in both Hebrew and Arabic.

I doubt if you read either languages.

However, the Hamas Charter has been translated into English and I suggest that you make yourself familiar with this document. It will be enlightening to you.

Hi WhiteMouse,

I strongly recommend that you try to get hold of the
book by Israeli historian, Prof. Ilan Pappe, "Ten
Myths About Israel".

It might help.

"Colonized people , even under the UN Charter,
have a right to struggle for their liberation, even with
an army, and the successful ending to such a struggle
lies in the creation of a democratic state that includes
all of its inhabitants".

We need to set th record straight and not
provide an immunity shield for the present
inhumane regime. By setting the record straight it might
have an impact on the chances for peace and reconciliation.

WhiteMouse,

I have done my research.
From - journalists, historians, writers,
people who live in Israel, family who has visited Israel,
and spoke about the treatment of the Palestinians.

People like Antony Loewenstein, Miriam Margolyes,
Ilan Pappe, to name just a few. There's many more.
I have also fully covered this topic on this forum.
And cited my sources.

I don't need to read Hebrew or Arabic.
I prefer objective sources. These Works are available
in English.

And they have been very distressing.

This conflict cannot continue. And Israel cannot have
a blank cheque and not be called to account. The tragedy of
the Palestinians is also the tragedy of the Jews. They
have turned from a compassionate people into being the abusers.

Foxy,

Read the Hamas Charter.

Regarding Pape, I have read him and numerous other works.

There is a saying: "Two Jews, three opinions."

You need to read more widely ... not just those works that confirm you bias.

Also, I have done a check of HRW comments, and so many (at least 12) at this stage of checking are lacking context ... extremely irresponsible and present a false narrative. If you want I can demonstrate this for you. But with your research skills I am sure you are able to determine this for yourself.

Years ago, I was a member of Amnesty. However noticing the cherry-picking they applied, resigned, as did many other members.

But read the Hamas Charter. Start from there.

With inflation low at 2.3%, was 6.1% when the Noalition got the boot. A couple of budget surpluses, compared to the Noalitions trillion dollars of debt they left behind. Low unemployment, wage growth, stagnant wages under the Noalition, and a interest rate cut looking more than likely. Albo might have better than an even money chance in 2025.