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Albanese A Goner in 2025?

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Hi WhiteMouse,

Visit Israel and see for yourself how the Palestinians
are treated.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 9 January 2025 6:43:50 AM
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Miriam Margolyes writes:

"When I visited Palestine, I saw for myself the contempt
and cruelty with which Israelis treated Palestinians. I met
both Palestinians and Israeli people and listened to their
personal stories. I saw the destruction of the hospitals that
the Israelis had bombed. Isaw incredible overcrowding. I saw
the filth and stench in the streets of Hebron. I saw the nets
that the Arabs have to put up to protect themselves from the
settlers who shower them with muck and rubbish. It was a
searing experience that really shook me up".

"The Palestinian people were not being treated in a humane
way. They told me how their lives have been disrupted,
made miserable, how they have been humiliated, arrested, and
most poignant of all, how their daily lives are being
sqeezed and destroyed and since they they never see Israelis
to talk to, they feel a hatred of them".

"I'm not surprised. I would if I were treated the same way.
I am a Jew. I have the full right of return. No Palestinian
does. The Israelis feel they can carry through things
without any reference to international law. What they are
doing is illegal. But few are taking any notice".
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 9 January 2025 10:02:21 AM
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Foxy,

Palestinians serve in the Knesset (parliament) in Israel; serve in embassy positions representing Israel. They do not have to serve in the armed services if they do not wish to.

If Palestinians did not like living in Israel, they would leave.
Didn't your family desert your mother country.

The numbers of deaths in Gaza are supplied by the Palestinian Ministry of Health, run by Hamas. The figures include natural deaths. Do you really believe Hamas, a designated terrorist organisation? Have you not heard of "Taqiyya"?

Facts:

The Palestinian Armed Group is actually Hamas.

Israel always sends text messages, phone calls and pamphlets before attacking an area.

Independent estimates state that 50% of Gazan fatalities are Hamas combatants embedded within civilians.

Hamas use hospitals, kindergartens, apartment blocks to store weapons.

Hamas have shown themselves digging up water pipes to make weapons.

Foxy,

Do you believe that Israel should abandon the hostages?

If Hamas released the Hostages and laid down their arms, peace would ensue.

Is that so hard for you to understand?

Perhaps you are a Hamas sympathizer.
Posted by WhiteMouse, Thursday, 9 January 2025 3:52:37 PM
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Foxy,

I imagine that you have had nothing more stressful in your life than losing your car keys. You have absolutely no idea what living within a society threatened by terrorism is like.

I do.

I lived for ten years in Malaysia during the Emergency, when Communist terrorists were trying to take over the country. Friends were killed. I witnessed horrors no one should. As a young teenager I learned to use weapons including hand-grenades.

As in all conflicts, innocents were killed. This is the nature of war. Look at Dresden ... Hiroshima ... any theatre of conflict.

Israel is fighting for its survival. Read the Hamas Charter.

Increasingly, I feel that you are plain antisemitic, and it is personal.
Posted by WhiteMouse, Thursday, 9 January 2025 4:24:49 PM
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Hi WM,

I sympathize with the innocent, the dead and the injured, those who have lost love ones, those rendered homeless and hungry in what is a terrible war. I believe Foxy is of the same mind. 1205 innocent Israelis died October 7th 2023, others have died since, in what was a terrible atrocity committed that day by Palestinians, saying that, does that make us Anti-Palestinian? Many thousands of innocent Palestinians have died since, in what are terrible atrocities committed by Israelis, does that make us Anti-Semitic? The answer to both questions is NO!

Should we simply turn a blind eye to all those innocent deaths. You say the Israelis have not killed 45,000 Palestinians, what is your acceptable number?
Posted by Paul1405, Thursday, 9 January 2025 5:48:06 PM
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White Mouse,

First of all my family did not desert their mother country.
They fled from persecution. They lost family members who
were either brutally murdered or were sent to gulags and
concentration camps.

You have no idea what they went through.

I have no further wish to continue this conversation with
you. Enough to say that I stand by my posting record on
this forum regarding the Middle-East conflict. I've made
it quite clear that I do not support Hamas or any terrorist
organisation
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 9 January 2025 10:12:27 PM
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