mhaze,

<<But the atheist community accepts all sorts of things that aren't proven but are nonetheless accepted as true without proof....>>

In principle there I agree and I am very supportive of science, facts, evidence and research. Each person and what they put out though should be subject to be critical analysis and this is perfectly fair and reasonable.

There is an excellent book review of "A Universe from Nothing", the book written by Laurence Krauss, a physicist I believe from the United States and critical of religion. The review goes on to say the following:

"On closer examination, to have the makings of protons and neutrons and tables and chairs and planets and solar systems and galaxies and universes in it, then it wasn’t nothing, and it couldn’t have been nothing, in the first place. And the history of science — if we understand it correctly — gives us no hint of how it might be possible to imagine otherwise. On closer examination, to have the makings of protons and neutrons and tables and chairs and planets and solar systems and galaxies and universes in it, then it wasn’t nothing, and it couldn’t have been nothing, in the first place. And the history of science — if we understand it correctly — gives us no hint of how it might be possible to imagine otherwise."

It goes on to say:

"The particular, eternally persisting, elementary physical stuff of the world, according to the standard presentations of relativistic quantum field theories, consists (unsurprisingly) of relativistic quantum fields... they have nothing whatsoever to say on the subject of where those fields came from, or of why the world should have consisted of the particular kinds of fields it does, or of why it should have consisted of fields at all, or of why there should have been a world in the first place. Period. Case closed. End of story."

As per the above, I do think the public deserve better than what we have been fed and I do believe we will discover/learn more over time - interesting times ahead.

The existence or otherwise of God is a complete red herring.

If anyone here claims that religion does not exist, then we could argue that - but God?

Why should God exist in the first place?
And why should it matter?
Only objects can exist, yet God is not an object.
This whole question of "existence" is a modern fashion - the ancients were never concerned about such silly amusements.

If anyone thinks that religion does not exist, then let us discuss that.
Or if anyone thinks that religion does exist but that those who practice it are unworthy of respect and freedom, then let us discuss that.

- But let us not divert that much from the topic.

"However, for me it's a personal and private
matter, and I don't want to convert anybody."

Hey hang on a minute, did we just find an issue where Foxy and ttbns beliefs on a single issue are aligned?
- Heaven forbid. Lol

"Only objects can exist, ...."

Well that's it for that gravity thingy!!

I wonder if these IDF patches are real?
And if so, do they not openly advertise genocide for land theft?
http://x.com/realstewpeters/status/1863083365047390656

Dear Mhaze,

«Well that's it for that gravity thingy!!»

Gravity is an object - we make objective observations to detect and measure it.