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Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 4 December 2024 12:57:03 PM
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Dear Paul,
«Can you please give me your explanation of what God is?» God cannot be truly explained because God is beyond words and the human mind, still let me try to point you in the direction: There is nothing but God, no-thing in the world (or in any other universe) has an independent existence of its own - all depend on God for existence, yet God is not a thing and does not depend on anything. You too (and me and everyone else for that matter), while you appear to be an independent person, what you truly are, is God. This is difficult to understand, so let me bring an example, an analogy (though no analogy can be perfect): In a cinema, they show different genres of movies - comedies, tragedies, thrillers, romance, documentaries, mysteries, etc. When you go to the cinema, you seem to watch all the different characters and events, all pretty convincing and attention-absorbing, but what is it that you actually see? - THE SCREEN! In reality you only see a sheet of cloth. All genres, all characters, all stories, they all depend on that one cloth for existence, they do not have an independent existence without that cloth, yet the cloth does not depend in any way on them, the screen is not affected by any drama, the screen does not laugh or cry, the screen even remains there when no film is screened, the screen is beyond them all. To come closer to God, is like to awake from being absorbed in the movies, detach from the drama on the screen and instead notice the screen itself, that unborn, unchanging, unlimited and undying which supports everything, that which is not a movie, that which we truly are. Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 4 December 2024 4:48:21 PM
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Hi Yuyutsu,
"God is beyond words and the human mind, still let me try to point you in the direction" If God is beyond your capacity of understanding, then you can't possibly point me in any direction, right or wrong. That's ridiculous. If I said to you astrophysics is totally beyond my capacity of understanding and comprehension, but let me explain it to you. I could say anything I like that comes into my head to explain something I admit I have no knowledge of. You said; "There is nothing but God, no-thing in the world (or in any other universe) has an independent existence of its own - all depend on God for existence, yet God is not a thing and does not depend on anything." That might sound good to some, but its just made up gobbledegook, a figment of your imagination. No more plausible than if I said the whole universe is controlled by the Giant Sloth, which defies all human understanding. Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 4 December 2024 7:30:08 PM
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"I do believe mhaze is a elder within the Church Of Donald.",
Not so. Impossible since I'm already ordained in the church of Dudeism...http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dudeism The Donald might rule but the Dude abides. Posted by mhaze, Wednesday, 4 December 2024 8:46:10 PM
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G'day Trumpster,
You need to get serious if you want to release your hunger for salivation, dump your false devotion to Dudeism and Trumpism and join the one true faith, The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, or Pastafarianism ... Within 3 trisepts the Flying Spaghetti Monster is destined to return to Earth from his great astro journey to the outer reaches of the cosmos. On his return the omnipotent one who hath gathered total pasta and sauce from whence he hath been, will spread among his devotees (that's you and me and one or two others) much spag bol and tomato sauce. Don't you want to be part of this great feasting? I think Yuyutsu will be coming along, he knows a good religion when he sees one. I do believe everyone likes nothing better than a decent feed of spag bol and tomato sauce. Does that make sense to you? Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 4 December 2024 9:36:53 PM
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Dear mhaze, . You wrote : « BTW, are you aware that the Web Telescope and the information it is unearthing (!) is currently in the process of unravelling a lot of what people like you imagined was settled science ». . There is no such thing as “settled science”, mahaze. Einstein and Karl Popper taught us that there is only “unsettled science”, that scientific knowledge is simply the best explanation of something at a particular point in time. That is why I consider that there is a greater probability of the falsifiable empirical sciences coming up with the correct explanations of how the universe and mankind came into being than the unfalsifiable, all-purpose explanation carved in stone for eternity by religious dogma. As I indicated in my previous post, the numerous inroads made by science throughout history on previous erroneous religious explanations of nature and natural phenomena testify to this. . Posted by Banjo Paterson, Wednesday, 4 December 2024 10:14:01 PM
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Can you please give me your explanation of what God is?