Astonishingly, those among the progressive class, who say they hate colonialism, support the colonialism of Third World mass immigration to the West. That is colonisation by people who hate us before they even get here; people who are changing our society for the very worst. Western society and culture is already in peril in places like the UK and Europe - 54% of London's population, for instance, is now made up of immigrants from Third World countries.

Westerners and our values and democracies are being replaced. War is not the only way to end a civilisation. Our own political classes are ending our civilisation for us, by design, or through stupidity.

Those people casually sloping along in life, “accepting” that the world is “changing”, thinking that the change is just a new fad, need to start thinking about the reality of this new colonialism.

Western society and culture already in peril?

Every generation has bustled with talk about the end
of the world or the loss of cultural identity. Many
have done so as if it's just around the corner.

Fear is an emotional reaction to particular changes and
challenges and it produces particular responses from
politicians, and communities alike.

Fear of crime, fear of terrorism and fear of change.

Tribes and kingdoms have waged wars of extinction against
each other for millennia. Culture has always been evolving.
If we were to travel back in time a century or two -
we would encounter a different experience of Western
civilization.

In our own backyard we have an increased presence of
religious and ethnic diversity. We've had many changes.
It is understandable that some people have become obsessed with
avoiding change and wanting to sustain our cultural
yester-year surroundings.

But it is wise to remember that the identity of modern
Australia is a rich mosaic of different cultures,
different generations, different life-styles, different
people.

As long as we continue to value things such as cultural
traditions, Western Civilization will not fade away -
instead it will continue to experience cultural
hybridization as it's done to date.

Australia is a rich mosaic of different cultures,
different generations, different life-styles, different
people.
Foxy,
Since you are so confident to know these differences why not tell us which of these 'different' people are contributing the most & which are the ones using the most of what the contributors provide ? Which group do you think make the ideal migrants & which group do you think the indigenous find the most beneficial ?
In my book the Westerners of all races seem to be the ones taking everything for granted.

Foxy, your argument is incomplete because you do not consider the
arithmetic involved. It is nothing short of religious colonialism.
It is not done to join Australia but to bring Sharia Law and the Koran.
It is now clear that multiculturalism has failed in Europe and it will
fail here as well. The migrants such as your parents and yourself
merged successfully, but the moslems come with a different agenda.
Just watch the TV tonight and you will see it all in action in Paris.

Australian patriotism and national pride does not depend
on any one dominant image, but rather on a feeling of
belonging. Every Australian is an Australian, whether
or not they conform to the stereotypical image tha
prevails - the now outdated image of the "Ocker."

Most of us pride ourselves on what we are, which is a
rich mosaic of different cultures, different generations,
different life styles - different people.

Of course fears and downsides are with us and will continue
to be as things continue to change. There's increased
pressure of religious diversity, increased awareness of
moral and political obligations towards Indigenous
Australians, over changing relations with Asia and the
list goes on.

As I stated earlier fear is an emotional reaction to
particular changes and challenges and produces particular
responses. However, with long and short-term planning
for growth and change - we have done remarkably well in
the past. And we shall continue to do so with enough
inclusion, consultation, we shall overcome the problems
that arise.

You may think that being positive does not achieve much,
but staying positive can make a huge difference in
other people's lives.

Indyvidual and Baz,

Fair comments. Not much good arguing with contrary opinions, though. People are entitled to have whatever opinions they choose to have, and they are not going to change them, any more than we are going to change ours. Who cares, really? We are all lucky to still be able to say what we think. For how much longer, I wonder, with our political class selling us out with the mass, inappropriate importing of people so very unlike ourselves. Any comparisons with of immigrants of today with those of the past are laughable.

"Those people casually sloping along in life, 'accepting' that the world is 'changing', thinking that the change is just a new fad, need to start thinking about the reality of this new colonialism."

Accepting the world is changing is a completely different issue to the million immigrants issue.
WE don't control what the rest of the world does.
WE don't even control what our own government does.
But hey, you love democracy and the immigrants in this country with voting rights, well they seem to like immigrants too.

If you think this country crapped out on my watch, then it crapped out on yours just as much.
But at least I'm not a part of the woke-right Israel-first brigade.

Western society and culture is already in peril in places like the UK and Europe - 54% of London's population, for instance, is now made up of immigrants from Third World countries.

Posted by ttbn, Wednesday, 15 May 2024 9:45:33 AM

Why do you hate coloured people?

People, societies, are changing - not the world.

This has not changed the rights of sovereign countries to control their borders and decide who comes in and who does not.

We “don't even control what our own government does” because WE DO NOT WANT TO. We keep voting for the same self-serving characters, no matter what they do to us. But, the ballot gives us the opportunity to control the government. We are just too slack, too disinterested, to do our duty.

We even have to be forced to vote. If voting was not compulsory, as it is not in most countries, about 50% of Australians would not bother to vote.

Stop blaming “the world”, other intimate objects, and other people. We get the governments we deserve because we are simply top lazy, or stupid, to vote properly. We will eventually enslave ourselves as the people in China, Russia and most of the Third World are already enslaved.

You and other people have “crapped out” this country, AC. Nothing is more pathetic than recognising what is wrong, blaming other people and things, then turning over and going back to sleep.

Your “at least I'm not a part of the woke-right Israel-first brigade”, is irrelevant to the subject, stupid, and just another example of your inability to think straight. We all know that you are an anti-Semite and Jew-hater. You don't need to remind us - particularly when it has nothing to do with the subject of Third World colonisation of Australia being conducted by our political class, with help from the likes of you.

Walking around our big cities today the most
evident change is the face of Australia. In
our last census we learned that a large percentage
of our population has been born outside our borders.

Decades ago about half of our migrants came from the
UK, the rest from Europe, New Zealand, North America.
Nowadays we're told that the largest source seems to be
from Asia with India and China providing the rest.

Of course it's depressing to read the world news. It's
full of conflict with European leaders lamenting
that "multiculturalism has failed." Yet although our
society is not perfect we've managed to create a society
that remains contrary to most developed countries.

The reason for this is not only because Australians are
easy-going and respectful of, and interested in other
cultures but it could be due to the fact that we don't
regard national identity by reference to a common race,
ethnicity, religion or cultural background.

Our national identity is defined by a common commitment
to Australian values of democracy, the rule of law,
respect for the rights of individuals, a healthy
scepticism for authority, and a deep sense of a fair go.

We are a caring people with a stronger safety net than the
Americans. Most of us in this country do have the confidence
that our fellow Australians will make the right decisions
for their families, their businesses, and their nation.

Australia has come a long way these past hundreds of years.
From humble beginnings, Australia has become a thriving modern
nation. Australian identity is not a fixed point in the
heavens but a speeding comet that blazes brightly and flits
around the night-sky refusing to remain stationary.
Today, we don't have to travel very far - we have everything
in our own backyard to enjoy and appreciate.

Germany - men who rape as a proportion of inhabitants
* Native Germans... 0.6 per million
* Immigrants excluding Middle East/Africans... 3 per million
* African Immigrants.....23 per million
* Afghan Immigrants.....47 per million

ie Afghan immigrants are 70 times more likely to commit rape than native Germans.

Compare and contrast over the past year.
Hungry....zero bombings; 3.9 rapes per 100,000 people.
Poland....zero bombings; 3 rapes per 100,000 people.
Sweden....236 bombings; 78 rapes per 100,000 people.

(hint - Sweden has lots of MENA immigrants - Poland and Hungry proudly have none.)

I'm not sure European women would be all that thrilled about the wonderful changes immigration has bought to their land.

Perhaps they should just lay back and think of the greater good!

The Warsaw Jews did well on October 12, 1940. (Warsaw Jews ordered into a ghetto.)

Pastor Martin Niemöller. "First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me."

Foxy, I hope your idealistic & optimistic views of "multiculturalism" hold true, it would be a wonderful thing, but history has an unpleasant way of shoving in our faces the excess of government ideologies, poorly thought out policies and plain, simple manipulation by the puppeteers. Australia today is not the same one your parents brought you up in. The recent, extremely violent, home invasion committed in Perth by a prospective " Model citizen " (ex detainee) released by our warm & fuzzy justice system should be a clarion call to anyone with half an idea of what is coming.

The Chinese CCP, being ushered into Australia - with open arms by Comrade Albanese, will make the Nazis look like choir boys in comparison. Uhighurs tell of atrocities not seen since Pol Pot, and the Killing Fields. All the while "re-education" camps are being set up on an unimaginable scale throughout China. The only thing that will save Australia in the few short years we have, is the Chinese populace rising up against their own political and industrial leaders.

Why do you hate coloured people?
Random,
That's a pretty silly question. Since when has race got something to do with behaviour ?
I know a lot of people of different racial heritage who agree that the racists always use race as an excuse topic for arguing instead of attitude !

Hi Albie,

Of course there are problems, serious problems,
especially in Europe as mhaze points out.

I just feel that statistics should be handled with
care and without demonizing every immigrant from
certain backgrounds because they're not all
criminals by extension.

Most individual migrants are not criminals. Part of
the problem in Europe may be that most are young men.
They are already economically disenfranchised at home,
And, they may come from a culture where women are not
seen as equals.

Still, the high proportions of rape (many go unreported)
should trigger questions on how to increase the amount
of checks performed on people and how to provide information,
education, and advice about social norms regarding rape.

As in most things, the Australian political class and many Australians ignore the freely available information coming from Europe on the problems there relating to colonisation by people indifferent to, or hostile to, the Western values of Judeo-Christianity, democracy and rule of law.

The events occurring there will come here eventually. The West is getting weaker; its enemies are getting stronger and bolder because the West is allowing them in, and not defending its own values, let alone insisting that immigrants assimilate and adopt the mores of the country that they wanted to come to. Instead, they attack and censor their own people for complaining.

Eva Vlaardingerbroek, Hollander, has been censored for saying:

“‘Our new reality in Europe consists of frequent rapes, stabbings, killings, murders, shootings, and even beheadings. But let me be clear about one thing: This did not use to happen before. This is a newly imported problem.”

Anyone who thinks that Australia is ‘special’ or ‘different’ from other weakening democracies is just plain ignorant or a hopeless ideologue, wound up by extreme Left-wing influencers like the Albanese Labor government and, increasingly, the left-leaning Coalition. We have already seen an elderly woman bashed by illegal aliens, stabbing of a Christian Bishop, and regular hate speech sermons that are unlawful but given a pass by the Albanese government. There are illegal aliens who are rapists, paedophiles, and all the worst sorts of criminals freely roaming the streets.

Then there's worse anti- Semitism since the Holocaust, BROUGHT HERE BY FOREIGNERS, and lapped up and enjoyed by wackjob locals.

Vlaardingerbroek bravely and rightly talks about the “Replacement” by the ruling elites of “white, Christian populations with immigrants from different cultures” in Western countries. “56 per cent of the Dutch capital city of Amsterdam’s population are migrants; while other major cities, such as The Hague and Rotterdam, are almost 60 per cent migrants.”

Although this replacement is dismissed by its perpetrators as ‘far right conspiracy theory’, the facts are in plain view.

However, I think that it is now too late to stop what is coming for us.

This did not use to happen before. This is a newly imported problem.”
ttbn,
That's what I get told by former school mates yet for some inexplicable reason Australians either don't want to hear it or hope that by ignoring it the same situation can be avoided here !
Australian media does not show anything on that situation.

"Most individual migrants are not criminals. "

That's very true. Indeed, taking any random sample of potential immigrants from any part of the world you might name, its fair to assume that the vast majority are going to be law-abiding, anxious to succeed economically and open to change.

But...

Its also fair to assume that, depending on the region and the peoples you choose your random sample from, some are going to have an extremely small number of criminals and other groups a significantly higher number of criminals. (That some of the crimes they commit may not be crimes in their home culture is really beside the point).

Australia, or any other western country (and remember its only western countries these people want to go to), aren't obligated to take immigrants and particularly aren't obligated to take immigrants from certain regions.

Assuming we want and need immigrants, we need to understand that taking people from, say, Ukraine is a very different proposition to taking them from a MENA (Middle East/North Africa) region. Both will contain some criminals. But one will contain a much higher portion of people who will not respect our traditions, will be more misogynist, and will be more likely to revert to violence when frustrated with our way of life. Not all. Not most. But a higher portion.

Do we want that? I don't.

Take immigrants but take from groups who have much higher proportions that will integrate.

Europe, and to some extent, the US have taken large numbers from those groups who are less likely to integrate. And they are paying the price for their leaders folly. But as usual the people paying the price weren't the people who made the calamitous decisions.

We have so far avoided those problems because we and our leaders made better decisions, the most consequential being "Stop the Boats". Thank you Mr Abbott.

Indyvidual

Heads in the sand. If they can't see it or hear it, it doesn't exist. That’s what ostriches do literally; some people do it mentally

Do we want that? I don't ..mhaze.

Do you get a choice? No way do you!

It’s how the Democrats survive and flourish in the US; and likewise for the Australian equivalent Labor Party.
A simple policy to rust themselves in for the long term future.

If you are a Democrat or equivalent in the Western Democracies, mass immigration of the MENA variety is a shoe-in for winning elections.
You would know this fact of course: Are you a racist objector to mass immigration? Tut tut.

Migrants to any country face challenges both during
migration and settlement. Many come seeking a better
life for themselves and their families. Others come
because of war and other challenges, including political
prosecution.

People from minority groups often face settlement
challenging for many reasons, including a lack of
support services available. It also does not help
to have certain groups , be they African, or Middle
Eastern, regularly portrayed and publicized negatively
in the media. These groups then get viewed negatively
by many.

If only the media could publicize positive achievements
and what unites us instead of spreading negativity, fear,
and division. A better result may be achieved all round.

These Islamic migrants come with a different mindset.
As far as moslem girls are concerned they are not at much risk of rape.
If they did rape, except during war or raids, they would be killed
by the girls family.In the case of raids etc, she who is held by the
right hand may be used as a sex slave.
It is not a crime.
Infidel girls are simply fair game.
Remember the Xmas eve sex attacks in Cologne ? Literally hundreds !
Not heard of Rotheram UK? That was what that was all about.
Why do you think they are already calling for Sharia Law in Europe ?

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Dear ttbn,

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You denounce what you consider to be the “Colonisation Of The West” by Third World mass immigration, deploring that “Westerners and our values and democracies are being replaced”.

That sounds like a playback (in reverse gear) of “Colonisation by The West” 236 years previously when Captain Arthur Phillip sailed into Botany Bay with a fleet of 11 ships full of convicted criminals, to colonise the Aboriginal country we Westerners later called Australia.

Judging from your previous posts here on OLO, ttbn, I have the impression you think that the replacement civilisation is necessarily superior to the one it replaces, and that “the victor’s law”, values and democracy, apply.

If that’s the case, you have nothing to fear. It would seem to be in line with your ideas.

Unless, of course, you have changed your mind – which I doubt !

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Heads in the sand.
ttbn,
If only the likes of Foxy would realise that ! Random & Paul1405 are exploiting that to the fullest to further their agenda !

Banjo Paterson

Why not gather a few of your like-thinkers together, and erect a tent embassy in front of the Italian embassy to protest the treatment of indigenous populations by the Romans.
That would make as much sense as your carping on about the treatment of the Indigenous Australians, who in the vast majority of cases were left to their own devices and ignored by the new settlers.

As an aside to your worship of DEI, I prefer the rearranged acronym to appear as “DIE”, since it is past the point of proof, the worshiping brain dead adherents are well down the path of murdering our Western culture.

"It also does not help to have certain groups , be they African, or Middle Eastern, regularly portrayed and publicized negatively in the media."

Or by the statistics. The media (well some of the media) portray them negatively because the statistics portray them negatively. And the statistics portray them negatively because they appear in those statistics much more often than most.

If the statistics show one group as being 70 times more likely to commit rape than another, its hardly the media's fault if that is highlighted. And its in the interest of the victims and future victims that it be highlighted.

But as we saw in Rotherham, some are more concerned to supress the statistics than protect the victims. But they were only white working class victims, so who cares? Much more important to pretend that the immigrants are an asset to the nation.

We have an immigrant seek to murder a preacher for preaching wrong-think, and the first thing the authorities want to do is suppress the evidence of the attack.

If this type of immigration can only be supported by hiding the facts, count me out.

dd,
"Do you get a choice? No way do you!"

I have a voice and a vote. In a democracy that's all you can hope for, and its a lot more than you get in most parts of the world. I know that you think all is illegitimate if your view isn't paramount, but that's not how our, or any civil society works.

Hi ttbn...

The part I don't get, you see these Western governments screwing their people over all over the globe but you'll champion democracy without any reservation, and you don't connect the dots that it was democracy that also gave us all the bs things you speak against as well.

Don't like the 'disinfo bill'?
Well 'democracy' has more in store for us.
Rally think it's going to end there?

Why not look at the flaws of the system you champion?

You seem to link the idea of a good wholesome society to Judeo-Christian values, but all religions have pro's and con's.
Why not 'take the good' and 'leave the bad' with a foundation in ethics?

Because without that, your 'claimed' higher values end up making you a traitor and a genocide supporter instead.

You carry on like Israel and Taiwan are more important than Australia itself.

See Randoms response 'Why do you hate coloured people?'.
This is what 'democracy' gave us.

They say it's the 'right of the people to decide for themselves'.
But only when it suits them -

Apparently 'democracy' doesn't allow citizens like mhaze the right to share his valid reasons that disagree with their 'set in stone' ideology.
These university indoctrinates will call you a racist and a hater just for suggesting that 'the people who live here actually get to have a say'.
They'd label mhaze a non-citizen and argue his opinions don't matter, because he's a racist and then once silenced, proclaim that university people hold a monopoly on intelligent thoughts and that everyone else is a moron.

So much for fecking democracy letting you have a say!

All you have to do is look at the U.S. to acknowledge that democracy isn't working for the people.
That democracy itself is screwing the people.
One side of government will fight tooth and nail to keep the free flow of people pouring in, no matter the impact on the existing populace.
Yet you ALL still champion democracy, without any reservations.

* This opinion is not to be considered as support for the CCP.

" Many forms of government have been tried and
will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No
one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise.
Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst
form of government except for all those other forms
that have been tried from time to time..."

Winston S. Churchill, 11 Nov. 1947.

Baz

All of the horrible things you refer to are part of wonderful multiculturalism. The only people to blame are our own politicians, who without our authority, lumbered us with the policy that has failed, bringing unnecessary dangers to the entire Western world.

Banjo Paterson,

I suppose you might as well be the one to bring up the unimaginative idea about getting our just desserts for colonising the nameless, neglected and useless continent that our ancestors turned into one of the richest countries in a world, where we do more than a fair share of feeding the world and doling out aid to to the poorest countries in the world.

Well, it really doesn't work, because we - or our politicians - have brought it all on ourselves, being the ones who actually have the say who comes here.

It's masochistic. But you lefties have decided that we objectors to multiculturalism and mass immigration blame the immigrants because they are black, yellow, brindle or have the wrong religion.

No. We blame the self-serving political class and people like you. We don't blame people taking the understandable path of finding a better place to live - except for the ones who, after being allowed in, want to make Australia like the hole they used to live in.

On your guess about about what I think about “replacement” populations being superior to the one being replaced, I have to say that you are a very dull boy:

. Politicians are replacing the Australian population, now, with mainly Third World, non-democratic people who are definitely not superior to the existing population.
. If you insist on comparing our replacement of a Stone Age people in 1788 with enlightened Western civilisation that started turning a useless, unused continent into what it is today: yes, the replacement was obviously superior to the locals - who, incidentally, soon took advantage of the arrival of modernity and Western civilisation.

mhaze,

I'm sorry that you have misunderstood the
point I was trying to make and felt the need to
explain statistics to me. I've dealt with data all
of my professional life.

My intention was
not to de-ride statistics merely to stress that they
should be handled with care - without demonizing every
immigrant from certain backgrounds because in the media
they all become criminals by extension.

Lets look at positive ways to try to rectify the problems
and challenges we face. And look at why crimes are
being committed by a small minority. Condemning is easy.
Trying to find solutions is more productive.

I think we live in the best country in the world.
But I continue to be positive that we can make it
even better.

you see these Western governments screwing their people over all over the globe but you'll champion democracy
Armchair Critic,
Interesting how you don't differentiate between Western Govt & Democracy. i have yet to see a Democracy myself, do you know of one ?
All I seem to to be able to make out is countries claiming to be Democracies being dictated by minority groups !

Indyvidual,

People in a democracy have the power to participate in
decision making by voting at elections.

Australia is a representative democracy where we elect
candidates to carry out the business of government on
our behalf.

As for minority groups dictating anything?

If they don't have the numbers, they can't.
As Pauline Hanson and others have learnt.

Indyvidual,

How many Zionists does it take to screw in a light bulb?

Four.

One to stay home and convince others to do it.
A second to donate the bulb.
A third to screw it it.
And, a fourth to proclaim that the entire Jewish people
stand behind and support this action.

Four.
Foxy,
that was quick, was your brain trust visiting by coincidence ?

Indyvidual,

We're all now connected by the internet, like neurons
in a giant brain.

If you want to see democracy in action, go to Georgia, where the west is trying another regime change.
- Wants to turn the living 'Georgians' into dead 'Ukrainians'.

Watch this short segment on ABC and look how they sell you on the 'merits' of what they are doing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-Hl9XXqCxM

Listen to everything she says, but pay close attention to what she says at 3:45 and then you will understand what it's all about.

"These NGO's have to leave. They can't really work there and that makes it more difficult for for Europe and for the US to continue to offer support for the incumbent regime"

* Interests of Europe and the United States

What this is really about:

'Say someone came up to you and said "We need to fix roads, fix the schools, reduce crime" etc. You'd be like 'Yes, we should do those things' except of course if the person did not also say "I'm funded by the CCP, then you'd say "Sorry but I'm not interested".

The problem for the West is that these laws effectively prevent them from conducting overthrows, it's as simple as that.

Overextending Russia - Look for their policy on Caucases
http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR3063.html

How the Georgian Government, Once a US Ally, Became an Adversary, Against the Wishes of Its Protesting Citizens
http://www.justsecurity.org/95658/georgia-protests-us-ally/

What they won't highlight is the fact the Georgians voted in Georgia Dream because they don't want to end up like the Ukrainians.
The West doesn't care how many Georgians have to die any more than it cares how many Ukrainians have to die.
How many times have you heard them say it's Ukraine is great investment?
Everyone made a heap on money.

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Dear diver dan,

.

I’m afraid I’m not the sort of person who would, as you suggest, “gather a few of your like-thinkers together and erect a tent embassy in front of the Italian embassy to protest the treatment of indigenous populations by the Romans”.

When I was young, though I played both rugby and cricket, I must say I was more successful in individual sports (boxing, swimming, tennis, golf and athletics) than in team sports.

Also, I am a bit dubious about having many “like-thinkers”. Freedom of mind has always been my mark ever since I crawled out of my mother’s womb. I can never get enough of it. If there is one thing I still hope to achieve during my lifetime it is to have at least one original thought.

On the few occasions I felt I had one, I discovered someone had already had it. It was due to my ignorance. I was just reinventing the wheel.

I do my best to limit my beliefs, ideals and values to a strict minimum. They tend to cloud my vision. I strive for a critical, pragmatic approach tempered with humanity.
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Regarding DEI (Diversity, Equity and Inclusion), I can’t say I share your preference for DIE as a more appropriate acronym, nor do I understand your reasons for doing so. Ideology, perhaps ?

Equity, of course, does not mean equality. It means fairness (not the same to each, but to each his due). And if it is the inclusion of diversity that you detest, there is ample evidence that diversity is preferable for the development of mankind, genetically and intellectually, rather than consanguinity and homogeneity.

.

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Dear ttbn,

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For the most part, your last post to me was a good, thoughtful, and well-measured response.

However, I find highly regrettable your adoption of the “replacement theory” of right-wing extremists and terrorists that inevitably recalls the horrific Christchurch mosque shootings in New Zealand in 2019 in which 51 people were ruthlessly slaughtered.

The perpetrator’s manifesto at the time proclaimed support for the far-right "Great Replacement" conspiracy theory of Renaud Camus, the French extreme right political activist, and cited Anders Behring Breivik, the Norwegian neo-Nazi terrorist who massacred 77 young people, and Dylann Roof, the US white supremacist, neo-Nazi murderer, as inspirations.

The other caveat I have regarding your post is that we have freely chosen the politicians who govern us here in Australia. That is how our democracy works.

This means that we only have ourselves to blame if we consider they are not acting in our best interests.

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I watched this really good discussion last night, and would recommend it to others.
Jill Stein is a third party anti-war U.S. Presidential candidate.
She says both Democrats and Republicans conspire to keep her off the ballot.
Also I find Michael Hudson (her foreign policy advisor) to be extremely intelligent.

Maybe what we need is to get rid of the '2-Party Preferred' system?

Fighting Russia & China to Last American: Destroying US From Within| Dr. Jill Stein & Michael Hudson
http://youtu.be/3tiOp-L-uY4

Thinking that a people bear you malice is the basis of any conflict, as is Russian propaganda arguing that western nations controlled by the great Satan America are out to destroy Russia via a proxy war started by a puppet government in Ukraine. It's also evident that the flames of the Palestinian conflict are fanned with endemic propaganda urging them to exterminate Jews as a civil and religious duty.

Whatever your politics, if you think yourself above hatred then you are probably the most dangerous.

Hi AC,

I take an alternative view of the conflict in Ukraine and believe it had more to do with Ukrainians wanting democracy and removing Russia's puppet president in 2013.

https://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/tv-series/putin-vs-the-west

And don't forget the thousands of children stolen by Russia.

https://www.sbs.com.au/ondemand/tv-program/putins-stolen-children/2304350787910

Population Replacement may be an idea that many dislike but it is in
Europe a stark reality. Demographic statistics confirm it.
It cannot be denied.

I think AC changes the subject so that he can remind us of his feelings for Russia.

He need not worry about Russia: despite the sanctions against the country, they are doing OK. They are not being colonised by undesirables, as Australia is, and their economic growth is better than Australia's.

Putin stays at home running things, while Ukraine's President Unspellable trots around, dressed like a bum, begging and avoiding the action.

As with renewable energy I think the valid argument to be the economic shortcomings of the course being taken. Arguing the moral shortcomings of migrants or a secret genocidal objective of government will not benefit the growing number of homeless people.

Jill Stein is a third party anti-war U.S. Presidential candidate.
Armchair Critic,
How would Jill Stein deal with aggression then ?

Dear Ttbn,

Since you are concerned about the loss of Western civilisation, I can recommend you the book "The Drawing of the Dark" by Tim Powers - I think you will enjoy it.

As far as I am concerned, I don't care who answers the phone when I call for an essential service or go shopping, what their race, culture, religion or gender/sexual orientation, etc. is - so long as they are human!

Being able to live, go places and perform the normal activities we always used to do without giving in to digital devices and their rule is becoming more and more difficult and even impossible: being concerned about petty ethnic/cultural differences is a rare luxury indeed when the whole human race is being sidelined and colonised by computers.

Banjo Paterson,

DEI as a philosophy is dying from illegitimacy; Captured as a tool of disruption by radical leftists, resulting in outcomes such as burning down the town to defend Black lives (BLM), has given the concept bad PR; thus my pun, DIE as in a dying illegitimate concept.

You do bleat on about preconceived ideas concerning the inequity of the inequality, as you perceive, of the Australian Indigenous race.
From my vantage point, getting a large swath of society offside with resentment towards them by high minded attempts to equalise perceived injustices through the eyes of elitist activists with little concept of what really matters to them, is counterproductive towards an honest and welcome inclusion.
Thus my reference to the Roman Empire. It’s meant to belittle such hypocrisy.

Your reference to your individualism as a high minded choice is elitism in fact.

Methinks aligning your concept of yourself to the alter-ego, may be having inadvertent consequences.

Individual

Jill Stein.

Rite on target with progressing a dead concept , DEI. (Or DIEas I prefer).

Another Yank fool lining up with O’Biden to light up the ME.

God save us!

Yuyutsu,

I'll look for the book. I usually read 3 at a time: one of them I'm on at the moment is ‘The End of Everything’ by Victor Davis Hanson. It is about how and why civilisations ended. I read a bit of history, and I have to say that what is happening now is starting to look redolent of the past.

I do mind who answers the phone and who I have to deal with because my hearing is bad, and I can't understand accents, particularly Indian accents; and they seem to be the people who are in aged care and answering calls for help with the internet and such things. I don't ring anyone I don't know because they might have an accent, talk too fast, mumble and so on. I still don't need any ‘carers’, but I dread the time when I do.

There is nothing “petty” about my concerns, and there would be thousands of old people who are in the same boat.

The problem is nothing to do with race, I have lost the ability to pick up certain tones and sounds. Old age. Something that politicians and bureaucrats are yet to experience. They don't take into account the problems old people have. And a cashless society, mobile phones, digital ID and ever- changing technology - certain people - are a real problem.

Dear Ttbn,

Thank you for explaining your unique personal concerns, much appreciated.

I see that you are reading serious historical books, so I need to "warn" you that "The Drawing of the Dark" is fiction and involves magic, yet it is on topic, entertaining and based on a real historical event of a clash between East and West.

so long as they are human!
Yuyutsu,
Yes and, more importantly behave like good humans as I've had to deal with too many bad ones in my time.
The problem with humans is that way too many are animals who lie & cheat & cause much harm to good people !

Dear Indyvidual,

«The problem with humans is that way too many are animals who lie & cheat & cause much harm to good people !»

No one can be harmed, whether by animals or by humans, unless God wills so.
Good people can be harmed because in the past they also did no-so-good things - show me one who didn't ever, but as we ourselves reduce lying, cheating and harming others, so will the incidents of others lying, cheating and harming us will also gradually reduce.

Thanks to multiculturalism, hate preaching Imam Abdul Salam’s sermon was able to be delivered in Australia.

The main points of the tirade were:

. Islam’s destiny is to rule over all other religions, including Jews, but also Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs and atheists.

. The only way – the God-given way – to fulfil this destiny is through jihad.

. Muslims must prepare as much power for this jihad as they can.

He meant violent jihad and said of the two previous Caliphates: “None of them conquered the world by peaceful means, negotiations, concessions or understandings”.

Obstacles to the “spreading and rule of Islam” have to be removed.

This person belongs to the Australian National Imams Council, and is an expert in Islamic law.

Next time someone comes up with the naive, “Not all Muslims ….”, ask them for proof. That won't have any, of course, because it is no sin in Islam lying to protect the faith.

Atheists note: you are in Islam’s sights as well.

If the hate speech and intentions are publicly spruiked by a leading Islamic organisation, that is enough to tell the apologists that they are dreaming.

Hate speech can come from any organization. Be it
religious, ethnic or any other. In our country it's
a criminal offence to stir up hatred of any
particular group and needs to be reported to the
police.

There's been many various outspoken and controversial
religious leaders preaching from various pulpits.
And I'm sure that there still are. Thankfully many have
also been replaced by their organizations and are no
longer allowed to speak publicly.

The Australia we currently live in has been shaped by
decades of successive waves of migration which has
helped to strengthen the cultural, economic, and
ethnic diversity of our nation. Hopefully this will
continue with proper long-term planning for our
future generations.

Australia has always used migration as a nation building
endeavour that has strengthened the national
identity and fostered and preserved the democracy.

Most Australians according to surveys find that Australia's
diverse societies are a national strength. They're part
of our national characteristic of a shared Australian
identity alongside Australia's First Nations traditions and
its British Institutions.

Our national identity continues to grow from pre-settlement
to today and onto the future. Attempts at hate speech
will end up where it belongs - on the dung heap of history.

Controversial Rabbi calls for the annihilation of Arabs:

http://news.sky.com/story/us-fury-over-rabbis-anti-palestinian-sermon-10492275

Hatred can be found in many religions. This is not
condoning it, merely stating facts.

Well well. There’s a Rabbi who thinks as I.

The only good Palestinian is a dead one!

On the same lines I was alluding to above.

Make no mistake, we are about to be flooded with the vermin, and they will swamp our scarce resources of Social Housing with priority.

Mass immigration and the lack of attention to sovereign borders is denigrating Australia: helped along by privileged Westerners, particularly women and school children, becoming supporters of the Islamist global insurgency.

Jihad is now becoming mainstream in many aspects of Western society. On the streets, in universities; anti-Western mobs under the pro-Palestinian guise.

We are close to peak weakness.

The only good thing that has happened for a long while is the humiliation of Chief Censor, Julie Inman Grant, by the Federal Court on behalf of Elon Musk.

It is reasonable to believe that the woman's efforts (maybe on behalf of the Albanese government, although we don’t know how off-the-leash these bureaucratic types are these days) were directed towards covering up an Islamic terror attack against a Christian.

The media and the political class seem intent on protecting the rubbish that they imported.

You’re almost there: The difficult acknowledgment for you appears the connection of pro-Islamic signposts , some of which you highlighted, is as wide as an airport runway, between O’Bidens America and Alberwongs Canberra.

When finally you admit to yourself that defending the indefensible US , admitting out loud, the US is actually the root and branch cause of Western decline, not the salvation of it, then you will undoubtedly rest easier.

So, people who want a world where human rights are no
longer under fire. A world where governments and
people in power everywhere must respect everyone's human
rights and allow all civilians to live safely without fear.
People who want a world where when human rights are attacked the
human rights abusers need to be held accountable and brought
to justice.

That all these people are supporting global Islamist insurrgency?

That calling for an immediate ceasefire by all parties to
prevent further loss of civilian lives and ensure access
to life-saving aid for the people in Gaza amidst an
unprecedented humanitarian catastrophe. This is supporting
a global Islamist insurrgency?

It appears that the time has come for all those who choose
to believe in this global Islamist insurrgency to rise to
the occasion and devote some time and effort through primary
sources and texts to study the history and context of the
controversies of the region today.

Opinions should not be based on 280 character tweets and
60 second videos. There's a desperate need it seems to replace
empty minds with open ones.

No one can be harmed, whether by animals or by humans, unless God wills so.
Yuyutsu,
So, it's God's will for people to be killed & worse, murdered by others ? Are you in favour of not reprimanding offenders because God willed them to offend ? Are you really convinced of what you state or have you just forgotten today's medication ?

Dear Indyvidual,

«So, it's God's will for people to be killed & worse, murdered by others ?»

I cannot tell what God's will presently is for any particular person, only retroactively: people have been murdered, that is a fact and nothing can ever happen without God's will.

«Are you in favour of not reprimanding offenders because God willed them to offend ?»

Suppose you reprimand them, then this too has been God's will.

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Dear diver dan,

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You wrote :

« You do bleat on about preconceived ideas concerning the inequity of the inequality, as you perceive, of the Australian Indigenous race. »
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I don’t recall having done that, diver dan. Would you kindly refresh my memory a little ?
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« From my vantage point, getting a large swath of society offside with resentment towards them by high minded attempts to equalise perceived injustices through the eyes of elitist activists with little concept of what really matters to them, is counterproductive towards an honest and welcome inclusion. »
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From my vantage point too.
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« Thus, my reference to the Roman Empire. It’s meant to belittle such hypocrisy. »
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Roman imperialism was not strictly speaking colonialism.

Roman expansion typically involved the establishment of military garrisons and the imposition of Roman law and administration in conquered territories. While the Romans did establish colonies in some areas, they were generally small settlements of Roman citizens rather than large-scale colonial enterprises aimed at exploiting resources and exerting control over local populations.

Roman imperialism and European colonialism indisputably brought progress to conquered peoples, but the more conservative elements resented its imposition.

They resented the political and cultural domination and exploitation of themselves and their resources.
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Voluntarily accepted immigration is not colonisation (political and cultural domination and the exploitation of conquered peoples and their resources).

According to researchers at the University of Oxford, more than 8 out of 10 people in the world will live in Asia or Africa by 2100 and the world population is due to peak at the end of the century.

Today, the most densely populated countries are Macao, Monaco, Singapore, Hong Kong, and Gibraltar. Singapore is more than 200 times as dense as the United States and 2,000 times as Australia.

To avoid the dramas of illegal mass migration we need to take stock of world demographics and the forces at work in determining their foreseeable geographical patterns to manage them intelligently on a global cooperative basis, as effectively, economically and humanely as possible.

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BP.

The most important comparative point you make, is the fall of the Western Roman Empire, and is a good basis for comparison to current events; with a weak and indecisive US in precipitous decline. A pathetic condition of the current US with our cart hitched to it.
Honorius Biden and his obedient Stilicho Generals, make a mockery of Democracy and all of us in the West left to watch the slow train wreck.

The Obama/Biden Democrat Administration, eaten out with Rainbow Decadence and corruption over a short decade, has probably spoiled any real chance of salvation from the decline and lost credibility: Not helped at all with the succession of military blunders, culminating in the Nuclear arming of Iran, and the rise of an Islamic controlled ME directly strengthening the rising Chinese Empire, which according to US propaganda, is the arch enemy of the West.

The only way to make sense of it, is a look through the looking glass with Alice.

The future of the US can be viewed in that light IMO.

Western is not the domain of white people. There are more Westerners among Africans, Indians & Asians than Europeans. Western is not racial it's a mentality !

The 'West' is made up of countries with Judeo-Christian, democratic, rule-of-law countries, with white populations. Other people can live in the 'West' - often to the detriment of the 'West', as we are now seeing with the increasing immigration of non-Westerners.

Note: This is not a criticism of non-Westerners, but different people were originally put in different places for a reason. And yes - before the cranks start barking, white people were not natural to our continent. But, it is not our fault that the 'grand design' was meddled with, and there is nothing that can be done about it now.

I am old enough to recall when the term "The Western World"
was used to describe countries that had democratic,
capitalist governments and were aligned alongside the United
States, and the UK, and European settled countries referred to
as "First World Countries" or the "Cold War West." This
group stood in contrast to the 2nd World Countries of the
USSR led communist Soviet bloc.

If East is East and West is West,
please tell us where Japan is placed?

Dear Foxy,

«please tell us where Japan is placed?»

In the pacific ocean, unless you recently placed it elsewhere.

Yuyutsu,

The reference to Japan was not about its geographical
location.

Western used to be European & American however, since WW2 many non Caucasians have adopted the Western mentality of grabbing more than is needed with open arms & the gusto to go with it. The situation now is that more non-caucasians are Westerners than Caucasians because "Western" is nothing more or less than a mentality !

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Dear diver dan,

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I must say you paint a rather pessimistic picture of the future development of the current political scene.

But as I’m sure you are aware, the so-called “Fall of the Roman Empire” is a matter of conjecture among scholars.

On that score, I am personally inclined to agree with Edward Gibbon who wrote in his magnum opus, “History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire” (1782) :

« The rise of a city, which swelled into an empire, may deserve, as a singular prodigy, the reflection of a philosophic mind. But the decline of Rome was the natural and inevitable effect of immoderate greatness. Prosperity ripened the principle of decay; the causes of destruction multiplied with the extent of conquest; and as soon as time or accident had removed the artificial supports, the stupendous fabric yielded to the pressure of its own weight. The story of its ruin is simple and obvious; and instead of inquiring why the Roman empire was destroyed, we should rather be surprised that it had subsisted so long. The victorious legions, who, in distant wars, acquired the vices of strangers and mercenaries, first oppressed the freedom of the republic, and afterwards violated the majesty of the purple. The emperors, anxious for their personal safety and the public peace, were reduced to the base expedient of corrupting the discipline which rendered them alike formidable to their sovereign and to the enemy; the vigor of the military government was relaxed, and finally dissolved, by the partial institutions of Constantine; and the Roman world was overwhelmed by a deluge of Barbarians. »

[Chapter XXXVIII: Reign Of Clovis.—Part VI. General Observations On The Fall Of The Roman Empire In The West.]

That said, your fears may be well-founded, diver dan – but as I am an inveterate optimist I tend to see a silver lining under every dark cloud. This somehow seems appropriate :

http://poetryhood.weebly.com/uploads/4/9/9/7/49978537/perform_it_poem.pdf

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Dear Banjo,

Thank You for your optimism.

Melinda Gates once said:

"Optimism isn't a belief that things will automatically
get better, it's a conviction that WE can make things
better."

It's a view I also share.

It may be a bumpy road but at least it leads somewhere.

Banjo Paterson,
Yes and, now it's the Westerners !

To most of us life is about -
live, laugh, love.
For others it appears to be about -
aim, fire, reload.

Foxy,
For the lucky ignorant yes, for normal functioning, revenue producing folk it's try not to cry & secure a feed & a roof over their heads & try to stay out of the crosshair of bureaucracy !
Count yourself extremely fortunate to be able to go through life as you do without having to depend on merit !

Indyvidual,

You've got 3 choices in life:

Give up

Give in

Or give it all you've got!

Rome's decline I suspect was rather multi faceted.
One factor was the climate cycle with colder weather and lower crop
yields. Another factor was the Barbary Pirates as they were later called.
Their raiding of Roman trading ships and slave capturing made the
international trade around the Mediterranean unprofitable as Rome was
forced to use land routes for much of its trade.

Baz

One of the major things that brought down the Roman Empire was that they granted citizenship to too many different sorts of people.

Sound familiar?

When historians talk about the fall of an empire
they talk about a long process, rather than a single
cause.

Empires are large and complex. Historians refer to internal
corruption, division, outside invasion, rebellion,, plague,
economic issues, and social and cultural issues.

a long process, rather than a single
cause.
Foxy,
Many civilisations have come & gone for the same reasons. The degradation of society starts when people have it too good for too long. Now it's the West's turn. When frivolities become priorities & stupidity is taught downfall is inevitable.
Any village idiot will tell you that, it's only the indoctrinated oops, educated who are so far down the shute in their mentality where they truly believe in their own stupidity !

Indyvidual

Very true: Actually, very very true, all of it twice over.

And… very soon we find ourselves living behind a wire netting fence as rabbits, devoured at will by foxes.

The enemy within:

#When there is no enemy within, the enemies outside cannot hurt you#
Winston Churchill.

Observe poor little Israel. Their worst enemy are their Allies (sic), and still the left wing Israeli nut jobs naw away from within, as the wolves prowl the outside fence!

A day in the life of Netanyahu.