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Religious Freedom - Or the Right To Discriminate?

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From what I have witnessed over the past 50 years religious freedom is discrimination !
Posted by Indyvidual, Monday, 25 March 2024 1:48:56 PM
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We've had years of failed attempts to legislate
the issue of religious schools and discrimination.
A thorny issue that still has many at loggerheads.

The PM does not want to proceed to reform anti-discrimination
laws unless the Coalition guaranteed its support. He does not
want a repeat of "The Voice" situation. And who can blame him.

Meanwhile, we have LGBTQ advocates increasing their pressure on
the government to legislate the law changes while religious
groups have penned an open letter to the PM urging him to scrap
the proposed overhaul on the basis that it opposes their rights
to practice their faith.

A delicate situation all round. And at present - no signs of
coming together, as yet.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 25 March 2024 1:56:57 PM
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At the root of this issue are deeply held beliefs and
divergent community views about discrimination and
religion. The Australian Law Reform Commission has
acknowledged this divergence noting it had received
more than 40,000 public responses. There were many
mixed responses and feelings were running high.

The assumption is that parliament will eventually have to
make a decision one way or another.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 25 March 2024 4:11:24 PM
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"At the root of this issue are deeply held beliefs and
divergent community views about discrimination and
religion. "

No. At the root is the desire of the alphabet community to attack Christians and Christianity wherever it flourishes. Why would a homosexual want to teach at a school where their views were in outright opposition to those of the school's principles other than to try to break up those institutions.

This is all about the war on Christianity waged by the left. Were this law to come into effect you can be bloody certain that you won't hear from a transgender lesbian atheist demanding the right to teach at a Mohammedan school.

Albo is caught between a rock and a hard place. He'd love to satisfy his far left base by giving them a win here, but knows it'd be as popular as his idiotic referendum. So, as with most things, he freezes like a rabbit in head-lights
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 25 March 2024 4:58:25 PM
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Dear Foxy,

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You wrote :

« … the [Australian Law Reform] Commission recommends that religious schools should … be able to " build a community of faith" by giving preference when hiring to teachers who share the school's religion ».
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I beg to disagree with the ALRC.

Our old colonial constitution has established Australia as a secular country and our system of education must respect the secular principle of the separation of state and religion.

That is the supreme law in Australia. The state has no place in religious affairs and religion has no place in state affairs.

Secular education is a state affair governed by the state and religious education is a religious affair governed by religious institutions. Secular education and religious education are two distinct domains that must remain separate with absolutely no overlap or interference with each other.

It would be anti-constitutional to “build a community of faith by giving preference when hiring, to teachers who share the school's religion”. Religious schools must hire “teachers who share the school's religion” to teach religion, and they must hire other teachers who “do not share the school’s religion” to teach secular education.

We have seen what the “community” of fact and faith can lead to under the influence of religious zealots in the US. “Intelligent design” and “creationism” continue to be taught in many schools despite the ruling of the US Supreme Court that such teachings are unconstitutional.

Already in Australia, according to Wikipedia : “Creationist views are popular among religious education teachers and creationist teaching materials have been distributed by volunteers in some schools”.

Dr Jennifer Bleazby, a senior lecturer in the School of Education Culture and Society at Monash University, argues :

“[Secular] education aims to foster reflective and critical thinking, intellectual virtues, an awareness of cognitive biases, and the capacity for collaborative inquiry. It is counter-productive and hypocritical for schools to claim they actively discourage post-truth phenomena if they’re simultaneously running religious instruction programs that aim to indoctrinate and risk encouraging the very types of thinking associated with the post-truth world”.

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 1:13:25 AM
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Dear Banjo Paterson,

«It would be anti-constitutional to “build a community of faith by giving preference when hiring, to teachers who share the school's religion”»

I am not a lawyer, but if you are correct, then fùck your constitution.

Your claim that "The state has no place in religious affairs and religion has no place in state affairs" is hollow when you only mean the second half of that sentence.

Education is the parents' affair, not the state's - and more in general, everyone should be able to hire and fire anyone as they please, that is their private affair.

And since you are likely to ask the next question, the answer is NO - nobody should be interested in your filthy state's money.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 26 March 2024 5:33:55 AM
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