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According to Nehru- Gandhi made it a habit to read the Bhagavad Gita during his morning duties. Does that mean we should all read on the toilet in India. I don't see how a Traditional Indian text is relevant to the majority of the Australian people.
Posted by Canem Malum, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 12:19:34 AM
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Dear Indyvidual,

«To have the sense of duty to help defend the nation that harbours you is not performing a personal moral duty to help others. It's a moral duty to defend the Nation»

For some it is, not for all and not under all circumstances.

Also, defending can take many forms, not necessarily joining an army.

Now if a state is corrupt, if a state forces good people against their will to serve it or to attend camps and the like, whose only "crime" was to be born, then that state is undeserving and then one's moral duty becomes to refuse to serve it, in order to prevent that state from continuing to harass others.

«& thereby everyone including yourself is benefitting.»

If someone volunteers to defend me, then I thank them.
If someone is forced to defend me, then I do not benefit from it, then I don't want them to do it and rather forego that "service", whatever be the implications.

«If people are not comfortable with doing their bit then they should not expect others to bow to their demands for their "rights" !»

NOBODY should expect that anyway, whether or not they do their bit.

And besides, how can you tell what is someone's "bit"?
It is different for different people.

«Many of us had a life of working in jobs we didn't like yet the taxes we paid are squandered on people who reject work on grounds of it being not what they want or are not capable of. That nonsense has to stop soon.»

That is a drop in the ocean compared with what is squandered on salaries for "public servants", which are about 10 times that of welfare income. Stop that nonsense first!

Also, the dole is a good investment:
Had there been no dole in Australia, then we would have had to invest much more on fencing, alarms, stronger doors and windows, armed guards, policemen, judges and prisons, and even then we wouldn't feel safe in the streets, which we currently do.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 12:29:21 AM
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And besides, how can you tell what is someone's "bit"?
It is different for different people.
Yuyutsu,
Only when there are no standards ! A healthy, unselfish mentality does not need explaining but guidance on how to best acquire a healthy unselfish mentality always results in a better human being.
Posted by Indyvidual, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 8:29:54 AM
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Charlotte Bronte put it so well when she wrote:

"Prejudices, it is well known, are most difficult to
eradicate from the heart whose soil has never been
loosened or fertilized by education. They grow from
there, firm as weeds among stones."
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 9:04:40 AM
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Foxy,
Yes, however, is trying to plant a healthy caring mentality with a focus on decency of responsibility Prejudice ?
Posted by Indyvidual, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 11:02:42 AM
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Indyvidual,

Prejudice and bias illustrate a fundamental flaw of
human nature. We all have gut feelings, instincts, emotions,
and they affect our judgement and our actions for good and
evil. We also have the capability of rational deliberation
and intelligent planning - in this way reason helps us create
a better world.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 28 February 2024 12:43:59 PM
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