Dear Critic,

«- What in Ukraine / Russia?»

Don't be silly - this particular thread is all about Australia.

You seem to try to draw me into different topics I have no time to address at the moment and use my name there so I will be forced to reply, so being short for time, I will reply in just one word: Theresienstadt.

Ahh - Indyviduals 'boot camps', I get you.

Indy,

You say; "Many ignorant young would highly likely adopt the healthier mentality if only they were offered the opportunity to be exposed to it."

You believe young people are "ignorant" for no other reason than they don't embrace your personal norms and social values, which from your postings on the forum appear to be a total hogwash of right wing conservatism.

When you say; "offered the opportunity", you mean brainwashed by people like you into accepting your norms and social values. BTW ,what would be the method of imparting these opportunities, lectures for people like you.

Personally, I don't think this issue is all that hard.
I think we could fine tune a policy that mostly gets us all what we think is best, with just a few small compromises here and there.

We have to stop thinking in terms of 'one persons ideas as opposed to another persons ideas' and instead find a way to accommodate everyone's valid input on the issue.

The easiest way to accommodate peoples concerns is to remove those concerns.
Don't make it compulsory.
It has no prestige if everyone does it, and you're not going to get people who are dedicated to standing under artillery fire by forcing them to do it.

It needs to be an optional program, where the person who does it is rewarded with prestige and and other benefits, on such a level that people WANT to gain that prestige and benefits.
- That they themselves choose to put their hand up for it.

I keep telling you all I think the right formula is 'double dole for full time work' helping the government save money, (or defend itself)
If we were to just get this little piece of policy right - down at the bottom, the benefits would be huge and everything would fall into place.
Think about how many people would not screw their lives up, if only they had a permanent job to go to when they couldn't get another job.

'double dole for full time work'.
'The guaranteed job you have when you can't get another job'.
'not a handout, but a handup, to anyone that wants it.'

Dear Critic,

I see nothing wrong with your proposal, but I am confused when you mention "standing under artillery fire" where even Indyvidual was speaking of a "non-military service".

A major consideration would be, who would be running this voluntary "employment program", and whether they will consider the good of the young participants paramount or rather the good of the state and national interests.

Should the "campers" be taught by fine musicians (like in the clip you referred us to earlier) to play beautiful classical music in luxurious comfortable hotels, rather than be crawling in the mud under barbed wire, exposed to the elements while constantly being shouted profanities at, threatened, humiliated and deprived of sleep, then I can see Indyvidual pulling out his hairs on seeing how his vision collapsed and purpose reversed.

Paul1405 & Yuyutsu could literally be the benchmark for the argument in favour of a non-military National Service for a period of 12 months for every 18 year old resident of this Nation.
This period would fit suggly into a so-called gap Year between leaving High School & getting into Uni if capable.
If only for the reduction in teenage crime whilst they are occupied in community orientated tasks this service would be worth implementing for that alone. Opponents please tell why this would not be a positive ? Please, also tell if you'd rather hear success stories or bad News ?
The rot is costing us too much in every way !