Now I get it, Boazy. You posit a half-baked argument or historical story, deliberately get the facts and details wrong, just so we go and look them up and can tell you about it. Very clever.

Doesn't make an 18th century lawyer any more right about anything though. And that tract written by Greenleaf doesn't look like it was written by an atheist, how many assumptions can one preacher make? Do you even read your own links?

Tobias please tell me what makes you think you have the right to tell us what to think and say? even do?
Are you fairdinkum? why would you highlight your bad manners?
The posts before and after yours have been interesting why do you intrude?

Boaz,
You say : It is not your "lack of Knowledge" [ex kj] and "they have judged themselves".

This is the amazing thing about so many religious faiths, their adherents can not help themselves from becoming judge and or jury on everything and everyone at any time -their faith can lock them in .

"My Faith makes me Right" is a very dangerous position to take - we see the destruction to the planet and loss of innocent lives this causes every day .

I prefer "On the balance of Probabilities" and am prepared to be a bit more flexible.

Should a man, woman, teenager or child utter the words, "I don't believe what I read or for that matter see" these days, how can this mean anything else in the scheme of things other than their experiences ,influences etc,etc up to that instant in time have moved their neurons around in their brains to take that particular position or decision ?

To say that the Spirit can take the place or position of the High Court Judge defies ALL logic.
But then Logic doesn't seem to a necessary decision making tool for a large percentage of society these days.

Belly,
This individual "Tobias" is obviously someone who wandered onto this thread without an inkling of what this is all about.

Maybe he/she feels the need to experience some derogative remarks thrown his/her way...Sorry Tobias, are you he or she..or both?

You sound like both, only screaming queens have the gumption to interupt a long standing thread like this one and the audacity to blatantly shout the odds as though you really have nothing else to do in your little bubble.

Please, if you feel the need to go boil an egg or two, feel free to do so and stop irritating the cr@p out of the rest of us!

God bless you and take care.

Thanks SPANKY like every thing in life I come here to learn.
Having zero interest in that subject while at school it drives me now.
Truly I want to understand why we have Gods, and why , sorry just my view they are generally divisive.
Yes life has told me man is while not one, not too different , other than religions.
No intent to hurt anyone but could we not solve many of our problems if we only had one God or none?
That will bring heated reminders we already do, but that is reason for conflict not answers.
It could be fear of answers that drives Tobias to rudely instruct others.

You spout about faith and a God you do not even understand.
I hope you have the slightest understanding of what you have just said and ask him for mercy.