I often wish former politicians would stay out of international affairs, unless they have something of value to add.

I don't always agree with Alexander Downer, but at least he has some experience in foreign affairs. Bronwyn Bishop however is another kettle of fish and I feel she should stay of these types of debates.

The ABC has lodged a formal complaint with Sky News Australia after Bronwyn Bishop said the public broadcaster was “aligning themselves with the policy of Germany’s national socialist party for the elimination of Jews” in its coverage of the Israel-Hamas war.

The comments have since been taken down and she later went on to say "If I offended anyone, I’m sorry", but Nazi Germany committed mass murder killing of six million Jewish people. That's a horrible thing to occur to so many innocent people.

http://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/documenting-numbers-of-victims-of-the-holocaust-and-nazi-persecution

Please Bronwyn don't compare these horrid killings to anything this trivial, that being your view on media coverage in Australia on the ABC. I know people who are Jews and they are very upset with your comments.

I would like to see all hasbeen politicians just keep quiet and enjoy their taxpayer-funded pensions; most of them were not much use, and did very little, when they were serving politicians.

Current politicians are not much more interesting or worth listening to. They have there strings pulled by people other than the voters they are supposed to represent.

The ARC (Alliiance For Responsible Citizenship) was held in London recently. A lot of ex-politicians waffling on about stuff they could have done when they were in power, but didn't. The hypocritical, gutless bastards are big talking when they are out of the job, or in opposition. Too late then.

Politicians, current or cactus, are not our friends, and we should not have faith in any of them.

Interesting that the biggest supporters of Zionist genocide against Palestinians is coming from the far right on the political spectrum. I think for these extremists, its more or less a case of; "My enemies enemy is my friend". These nut jobs have no "love" for Jews, but even less "love" for Palestinians (Muslims). If the Jews were to exterminate every last Palestinian, then the extreme would be over joyed, to a point, then they would be happy to see the total extermination of the Jews.

Bronwyn Bishop is one of the most useless politicians Australia has seen in modern times. For all her longevity in politics she achieved nothing of note. Preferring to be the petulant pompous brat with an overinflated sense of entitlement, shes never been anything more than a North Shore snob! A weak and ineffectual Minister and a useless Speaker is all that can be said about her. Dry up you old prune!

Yes, Bronwyn made a silly accusation, but the ABC from my perspective is anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian, and probably antisemitic. It most certainly does not provide a balanced reporting of the conflict.

The fact that ordinary Australian's standard of living has dropped by 5.1% because of mass immigration by current politicians is probably more important than useless criticism of clapped-out, ex-politicians, whom only the media keeps digging up to waffle on. All the Bishops, Howards, Abbotts and Keatings and Turnulls do is take our eye off the present bunch of nohopers. If we let them, which some here obviously do.

You will not find on the ABC or SBS them telling the world that Israel is to remove all children from the Gaza Hospital to hospitals in Israel, because over 10,000 rockets have been fired from the grounds of the hospital by Hamas. Israel is a responsible World citizen, but you will only hear the Hamas cause on ABC - Israel is to blame.

Tunnels under the Gaza Hospital
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLp84A6TBJ0

What you will not hear on ABC or SBS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTwQh72XUZo

Josephus,

You wouldn't recognise a bloody fact if it hit you in the face.

"Tunnels under the Gaza Hospital"?

The video clearly shows there were no such thing here. The fact is the tunnel entrance was 200mts away from the hospital.

I don't really know why I even bothered clicking the link because your lying is constant and I normally am utterly contemptuous of anything you post.

But for my sins I did.

Nothing has changed.

You might wonder why so few posters engage with you (with the exception of Foxy because she is a nice person and likely pities you), well this is the exact reason.

Do try and do better.

I watched Q and A last night. And the discussion was
all about the Middle-East conflict. For the first time
it was decided not to have a studio audience. Questions
were asked via video links. The panel was a good mix of
opinions - and it did get a bit heated at times. The
issues involved - were strongly felt by all parties.

However, I was impressed by the respect that was maintained
throughout the program. And delighted that a discussion
that was so controversial could take place in a civil
manner.

It also showed me - how deeply feelings run on both sides.
But the fact that there was dialogue on issues - gives me
hope. It was a step in the right direction and perhaps it
may result in a better understanding.

As for Bronwyn Bishop's comments?

It's unfortunate that her views were not more balanced.
But I guess she's getting on in age and no longer being a
Member of Parliament probably feels that she can now
say what she really thinks instead of being more respectful.

In any case - she attracted media attention with her comments
and possibly that may have been what she wanted.

Not many would otherwise be seeking her opinion these days

This brings to mind a quip made some time ago by Gareth Evans with regards to Bronnie.

Q. Why do people take an instant dislike to Bronwyn Bishop?
A. It saves time.

Steele, I was not just talking about a well, with a room at the bottom. There are five hundred kilometers of tunnels which also travel under the hospital, with access to the hospital. Israel has reached the hospital and will remove children to hospitals in Israel for care.

"Israel has reached the hospital and will remove children to hospitals in Israel for care."

Isn't this the exact same thing that Putin has been charged with war crimes for in Ukraine?

http://www.icc-cpi.int/news/situation-ukraine-icc-judges-issue-arrest-warrants-against-vladimir-vladimirovich-putin-and

"Mr Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, born on 7 October 1952, President of the Russian Federation, is allegedly responsible for the war crime of unlawful deportation of population (children) and that of unlawful transfer of population (children) from occupied areas of Ukraine to the Russian Federation (under articles 8(2)(a)(vii) and 8(2)(b)(viii) of the Rome Statute). The crimes were allegedly committed in Ukrainian occupied territory at least from 24 February 2022. There are reasonable grounds to believe that Mr Putin bears individual criminal responsibility for the aforementioned crimes, (i) for having committed the acts directly, jointly with others and/or through others (article 25(3)(a) of the Rome Statute), and (ii) for his failure to exercise control properly over civilian and military subordinates who committed the acts, or allowed for their commission, and who were under his effective authority and control, pursuant to superior responsibility (article 28(b) of the Rome Statute)."

Will Benjamin Netanyahu be charged by the ICC too?

Hi NathanJ,

"I know people who are Jews and they are very upset with your comments."

Yes and they were also upset about Penny Wong calling for a ceasefire.
- It was all over the Sunday paper.

I don't care if people are offended by what's on the TV.
Turn it off, change the channel if you don't like it.
Most of what's on the TV is crap anyway.

Why should people refrain from saying what they really think or believe?
Why all the drama about it?

In fact I think it would be better if our leaders had more space to be honest about what they really think.
If all they are doing is playing to the accepted standards then how does anyone get any insight into what these people actually think?

This should be a opening to get more information?

Why did she say what she said?
Can she back it up with evidence?
What content specifically does she take offense to?

Sky News has some really low-quality hosts anyway.
And they often bloviate crap trying to make themselves sound important.

The Albanese government - far more dangerous than those no longer in the job - has made a "humiliating backdown" on its censorship Bill by taking out some sections and and holding it over until next year, admitting that it will need to heed the concerns of people with religious faith. Comedians are exempted from the censorship, but not the religious.

Albanese still intends to censor what is said online. That means that 21 million social media users need to start taking notice; that's the number of Australians said to use it. No wonder the country is rooted. We all survived without it once. We can do it again and avoid the bullsh-t put about by politicians.

Hi ttbn,
'holding it over until next year'

I'm sick and tired of all these targets.
'If we can't cram this or that crap down your throat this year, we'll succeed in doing so next year.'

http://www.health.gov.au/ministers/the-hon-mark-butler-mp/media/new-laws-to-fight-tobacco-and-nicotine-addiction

"The Government's aim is to reduce the national smoking rate to less than 10 per cent by 2025 and 5 per cent or less by 2030"

Who voted for all this endless change?
Why can't these people manage the country which is their job (and they can't even do that right) and stay the feck out of peoples lives?

They all take their marching orders from foreigners and occasionally they merely change their timeframe based on what people actually do or don't want.

It's everything to do with globalist elite, and global think tanks want.
And nothing to do with what people want.

Drives me up the wall.

Dear Critic,

«Isn't this the exact same thing that Putin has been charged with war crimes for in Ukraine?»

This was at the hospital's explicit request, knowing well that there are no alternatives within Gaza.

Israel accepted the request yesterday, told the hospital that it will take a day to organise, then today it made good on its word.

Hi Yuyutsu,
Well I guess that's good then.
The less people dying the better.

The nation’s socialist-embracing Labor leader has failed almost every test he has faced: from internal race-based politics to his government’s anti-Semitic undertones to his own ignorance of economics and his inability to relate to mainstream Australians. 

Forgot what Bronwyn Bishop says. Nothing she and other hasbeens says will wreck Australia like those in government now are doing.

James Allan, law Professor and political commentator, believes that the next election is “There for the taking” by the Coalition, if it:-

. Breaks its addiction to mass immigration
. Gets back to assimilating the fewer immigrants - about 30,000 a year
. Guarantees to repeal any censorship Bill Albanese gets through Parliament
. Drops Net Zero and brings in a sane, affordable energy policy

Something to look forward to rather than going backwards and listening to an old duck whose opinions are as out of date as her hairstyle.

Staying with the present batch of politicians, not the ones who have been out of the game for years, Labor received its lowest primary vote ever at the last election. Does anyone seriously think that Albanese and his amateurs have done anything to improve that vote.

. Cost of living
. Housing
. Cost of rent and unavailability of rentals
. Continuing mass immigration to the detriment of the above
. Massive loss of credibility due to the rejection of the Voice
. Refusal to investigate child abuse in aboriginal communities
. Upcoming Bill curtailing freedom of speech
. Lack of industry due to unreliable, expensive electricity
. Building firms failing
. Inability to defend Australia from China
. High spending causing high inflation
. Inability or refusal to deal with hate speech on the streets
. Trashing Bob Hawke's policy on Israel and endangering Jews

All more important than worrying about an old sheila with a hairdo somewhere between a beehive and French pleat from the early 1960s.

I sometimes think that people keep bringing up nonsensical subjects to help them avoid thinking about the real mess this country is in. A situation not caused by and politicians from the past, who had a sense of duty and more respect for the electorate and country than the current mob do.

ttbn,

No international (war in the Middle East) or theoretical issue (Bill curtailing freedom of speech) has held predominance with the voting public, not since the Vietnam War issue 50 years ago, and only then because the domestic economy was doing okay, and 'bread and butter' wasn't holding centre stage. Plus the fact the Coalition had been in power for a long time, and had lost the charm of 'Pig Iron' Bob. As a general rule governments stand or fall on those bread and butter domestic issues. All other issues are peripheral and don't overly effect the outcome. The issue of the 'personal cost of living' and the governments perceived performance, coupled with the oppositions (leader) credibility is what will determine the voters political preference at the next election, not much else. At the moment the Labor Government is in the box seat to win.

A question to you; Who do you believe is best suited to running the country? I personally think Labor, but you might have an alternative.

Ever heard of Tritium Charging, enthused about by Albanese as the ‘future’ and a big employer when he visited it more than once to rave on, with Tritium's grinning CEO nodding in the background.

Well, Tritium is in big trouble; it may have to move to the U.S to cut costs. Their costs here are exceeding their sales. And they are whining about lack of support from the Great Albo, whom they think has just been using them as a photo opportunity for his renewable/employment/co2-reducing blather.

Albanese is full of sh-t.

Correction" their sales are exceeded by their costs.

Hummmmm! Don't know ttbn what "Tritium Charging" has to do with "Bronny Bishop and neo-Nazi comments". I'm sure you will enlighten us shorty. Then of course Nursey might be around soon with a double dose of 'Laxo' and Doze Easy'. Maybe that't not a good combination, you dozing off while the Laxo's are doing their job. Its enough to give a bloke the sh!ts.

Hi ttbn,
"I sometimes think that people keep bringing up nonsensical subjects to help them avoid thinking about the real mess this country is in. A situation not caused by and politicians from the past, who had a sense of duty and more respect for the electorate and country than the current mob do."

What can we do about it?
And is it not already too late?

For me the biggest issues are probably too much immigration and too much government spending, and what is spent is poorly spent, really bad policies.

[Cont.]

ttbn,

It's sad you know, all this democracy stuff...

Take Nikki Haley for example, a Republican Presidential contender and a fierce supporter of Israel.
(I think she's only running to steal votes from Trump, truth told)

These same people who you would support if you were an American.
- Are the exact same people who would screw you if they had the chance.

Nikki Haley Says Internet Users Must Be Verified By Bill Gates’ Digital ID For ‘National Security’
http://thepeoplesvoice.tv/nikki-haley-says-all-internet-users-must-be-verified-by-bill-gates-digital-id-for-national-security/

>>Everybody using the internet must be verified by name using digital identity technology because of threats to “national security”, according to presidential candidate Nikki Haley who declared it would be “the first thing I do when we get in office.”<<

Maybe I should've put this over on your Westminster system / Democracy use-by-date thread...

http://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1003905514008213
Meanwhile, here she is saying - "The last thing we need to do is to tell Israel what to do. The only thing we should be doing is supporting them in eliminating Hamas" Nikki Haley says. "It is not that Israel needs America. America needs Israel."

Also from that first website:

Top US General Says American Troops Must Be ‘Ready To Die For Israel’
http://thepeoplesvoice.tv/general-american-troops-die-israel/
US troops must be ready fight and to die for the defense of Israel — even to the point of being placed under Israeli commanders responsible for battlefield decision making — according to one of the highest ranking military officers in the US armed forces.

Do you think Aussies should be prepared to die for Israel?

On a separate note, did you see the government freed some 81 people from immigrantion detention including hitmen, murderers and people who committed child sex offenses?
What message does that send to the worlds criminals on the run?

Come to Australia!

Hi AC,

I have the perfect remedy for truculent politicians, a double dose of 'Lazo' tabs followed by half a pak of 'Doze Eazi' before bedtime. Then they can sh!t all over us while they sleep! Why should ttbn have all the fun!

Still can't fathom the link between Bronnie Bishop, Neo-Nazi's and Tritium Charging. Maybe ttbn will let us into this secret some time soon! I'm told one of the side effects of an OD on a combo of Lazo and Doze Eazi, apart from the obvious, is hallucinations, like trying to link Bronnie Bishop with Neo-Nazi's and Tritium Charging. It happens a lot down at the Shady Pines Retirement Village for Old Farts!

AC,

Yes. Too much immigration. Too much government spending. Too much government. What can we do about it? Probably nothing. We have a government that less than a third of the voters wanted. I've just watched someone a lot smarter than I am saying that our system of preferential voting is not giving people the government they want. I've always thought that the system was crap; so do most countries; only a very few have preferential voting like ours.

Compulsory voting should also be scrapped: then only people who take an interest and have the responsibility, plus the intelligence, to contribute would make the decisions. If people are so stupid that they need to be made to vote, they shouldn't be forced to because they don't really care, and will either vote informally or just copy a how-to-vote card rigged up by one party or the other without the interest or the brains to think about choosing their own preferences.

The only people who benefit from compulsory, preferential voting are the major parties - the duopoly.

Paul, you bloody idiot. I do not live in a nursing home, and I don't need nursing or any other help. I live independently, and intend to do so until I stop breathing. You are the one who should be in sheltered accommodation, with a access to mental care.

Hi ttbn,
"What can we do about it? Probably nothing."

Let's say you had the power to change any or all government policies.
What would you change?

What changes would we need to make so that you felt the country was back on the right track?

Has liberalism, globalism and multiculturalism changed the country so much that the citizens will never agree again?

I don't know where the country - or even the planet for that matter goes from here.

How about you Paul?

Hi AC,

I would agree with ttbn, non compulsory voting is reasonable, and I would add optional preferential voting to the mix. A three way representation per electorate is another possibility. The Senate is undemocratic and needs to be abolished or reformed.

A bit of history; the Constitution and system of voting was formulated by the members of two dominant political parties at the time, Protectionist Party and Free Trade Party, both ceased to exist after 1909. They were state based parties and were very much concerned with states rights, particularly in the area of trade. Sir Henry Parkes (1815-1896) a Free Trader (NSW Premier) was a major influence in early Australian politics, and a strong supporter of States rights, those of his state NSW over its major rival Victoria. The founding fathers of yesteryear could never have envisaged the modern Australia of today. They believed the states would remain the dominant force shaping the direction of the country, and should control the purse strings as they very much did in the early days.

Dear Ttbn,

While I fully agree that compulsory voting is utterly wrong, I disagree that preferential voting is only for the major parties.

Preferential voting goes towards ensuring that every voter is at least somewhat represented - without it, people will be afraid to vote for small parties and have their votes completely wasted.

Preferential voting should continue - however people should be able to number in only some of the parties, not all, as is already the case when voting for the senate above the line.

AC

Australia has plunged from being the most resilient economy in the world to 20th. on the list. And competitiveness is below the Czech Republic, Saudi Arabia, Singapore, Taiwan, and the United States. Even behind New Zealand!

Since 2004, the following slumps have occurred:

Entrepreneurship from 11th in the world to 62nd
Energy infrastructure 21st to 52nd
Public policy
adaptation to change
in the economy 4th to 20th
Regulatory framework
to encourage
competition 3rd to 19th

Private investment is now a mere 12% of GDP.

Productivity since Albanese has decreased by 4.6%.

You need to ask someone other than me what needs to be done to fix rooted Australia. It's certainly beyond the idiot politicians we are forced to put a number against when we don't want them at all.

There’s hardly a problem facing Australia that has not been caused by a failure of political leadership.

Family First lists just some of the results of lousy leadership over one week:

. Weak and woke judges on the High Court released hardened criminals into the community, including a paedophile and several murderers. Not citizens. No visas to be here.

. Labor MPs, the Greens, Teals, Muslim leaders, universities and much of the media continue siding with those seeking the destruction of the state of Israel.

. For the first time in our history Jews don’t feel safe in Australia.

. The energy market regulator is again warning of summer blackouts despite Australia supposedly being a first world country.

. Hobart City Councillor, Louis Elliott is the latest to be dragged before a government tribunal for seeking to protect the welfare of women and girls by telling the truth about gender.

. A leading banker says home loans are now the preserve of the rich and out of reach for lower income people.

“How on earth did the lucky country, Australia, get to the point where free speech is punished, blackouts and expensive electricity are normal, our social cohesion is threatened by people who hate our culture and the Australian dream of home ownership is out of reach unless you have wealth?”, asks Family First.

It's no good putting that question to an extreme Left government intent on destroying families. Families are one of the biggest threats to Marxists

We have a steady stream of people wanting
to set roots down all over this country despite the
rising costs of living. Lets look at why Australia
is considered such an attractive drawcard globally:

Ever watched "Postcards," and so many other travel
shows on television?

We're made aware of our culturally rich capital cities.
Of our rugged wide-open spaces of the many National Parks.
Then of course there's our laid-back culture. It's not
uniform across the country and is a diverse mix but
there are core-values that we all share.

Values such as friendship, mateship, easy-going, family-
friendly, common-sense, humour, optimism, and much more.
The country is family-friendly. A good place to bring up
children. We have good healthcare, childcare, education,
a healthy out-door lifestyle, and safe, clean, public
transport. Top universities and the list goes on from
sporting venues and clubs, Vineyards. A thriving Arts
scene.

There's so much to see and do. It is impossible to be
bored. And did I mention climate? Wide choice there
as well.

We have a safe and stable environment. It is no wonder
that we're envied by many around the globe.

Armchair Critic,

My issue here is you only have one voice box as a person. You should use it properly and realise as a person you can use it to make a difference and change the lives of others. Not always, but sometimes.

Really if a person like Bronwyn Bishop has nothing of value to add to the current conflict then she should decide if she is even going to get involved.

If she doesn't like the ABC coverage on the current conflict, fine, but there is no need to bring neo-Nazi Germany into the debate. I mean we had six million Jews killed at the time (as per the link I provided), it's not something to trivialise and then think she can just token apologise her way out of it after a backlash from the ABC and some members of the public. It's not on.

I'm for responsibility and there was no need for Bronwyn Bishop to bring neo-Nazi Germany into her rave on television. It's doesn't equate to the seriousness of the issue in Gaza, that being ABC television coverage.

I'm all for offending people for the better good. Some people do need to be challenged about what they stand for. All fine there with me. I'm also totally opposed to the current actions of the Israeli government and Hamas, but please spare people from discussions about Gaza in Australia which do nothing to help those suffering in current circumstances.

Bronwyn Bishop should take her concerns about the ABC directly to the head office. Blurting something out on television will do nothing.

We are heaping problem on problem.
Some are very substantial in that they could on their own collapse
our economy.
Take the mega $billions we are planning on wind farms at sea.
The Europeans have discovered that they have to ask for a 65% increase
in the subsidy because they have found that the maintenance costa are
way more than they expected. Anyone involved with marine work could
have told them that.
Our farmers are being threatened with bankruptcy because of green laws.
As a result we will get higher priced food.
The zeronet 2050 will send us broke with the $Trillions cost of it all
before they discover that it is impossible.
The schools are not doing their job and are being run by woke pupils.
The universities think they are above all us plebs. Let the students
set the agenda of wokeness, while they collect money from o'seas students.
Local councils are more worried about what flags to fly !
The housing situation has reached the point of absurdity.
The govt solution bring in more people, not just some teams of
carpenters, electricians, plumbers, brickies etc etc but 600,000 of
all sorts from gawd knows where.
What percentage of them ae coming from the middle east ?

What could possibly go wrong ?

We're made aware of our culturally rich capital cities.
Foxy,
Just because these cultures are present in Australia by willy nilly immigration does not make them Australian !

Good Morning Indyvidual,

Of course not everyone is an Australian citizen.
But I'm not talking about citizenship. I'm
talking about the contributions that they have
made to this country. Changing it from a
cultural backwater to one of the most admired
countries in the world that many want to come to.

Foxy believes Australia was culturally backward, it is now culturally admired by the World. A Typical woke mind! She cannot see the future conflicts awaiting as cultures conflict, cultures that have always existed, but some cultures have grown by taking in excess foreign cultures that hold conflicting values to what has built Australia. They come here for the life they want to be familiar with and change the values. There are No-Go areas in Australia already, and areas where people are confronted and feel threatened.

Josephus,

Jesus was woke.

Mr. Naivety thinks that he and other Toms, Dicks and Harrys can "sometimes" influence others.

Wrong. Only public figures with access to the media can do that. People like Bronwyn Bishop.

Of course people want to come to Australia - but only after all the hard work was done for them by the British Empire. Unable and unwilling to put their own countries in order, they slink off to Australia and other Western countries where it has all been done for them.

"Jesus was woke."

Everyone 'thinks' Jesus would have agreed with them.

mhaze,

I speak to Jesus all the time - so I know what
he thinks.

But others speak to him as well and they get entirely different answers. Maybe all those who talk to him just hear what they want to hear.

mhaze,

Therein lies the difference between myself and others.
I speak directly. The others use translations and get
it wrong.

Just as well there are no blasphemy laws. Just imagine if someone said that she spoke directly to Mohammed.

The posts here are reaching the bloody ridiculous stage. Grow up!

ttbn,

The conversation was between myself and mhaze.
It does not concern you. And you don't
have to read the banter we shared or take it
so seriously. You want us to grow up?
Why don't you lighten up first and butt out.

ttbn,

BTW - if you can't hear God speaking to you
than maybe you're too pre-occupied
with your own voice.

I, not some lefty nutter, decide what I comment on; and, if you think that your exchange with mhaze is 'banter' you are as thick as mud.

A couple of interesting points...

Bronwyn Bishop- I think her comparison of Palestinian Supporters to Nazi's relates to the chanting of "Palestine should be from the river to the sea" or whatever it is- is being interpreted as an implied genocidal threat to Israel- similar to the claim that Aboriginal's own all of Australia.

Paul1405's comment about the "far right" supporting the Hebrews.

1. The use of the one dimensional political "Left Right Continuum" seems to be a leftist invention/ legacy from the French Revolution- and distorts the true political landscape in favour of The Left/ Socialists/Communists. A two dimensional structure such as "Political Compass" is better but still has limitations. The Left seem to hold "The Terror" in the highest regard. "It was the best of times it was the worst of times". Dickens

2. It's interesting that Thomas Sewell's group (I suspect that Paul1405 would consider this group as Far Right) attended the Pro-Palestinian rally in Melbourne. Interesting to see Harry Potter's- J.K.Rowling's comments on the inconsistency of the seemingly Socialist/ Communist left. Paraphrasing Rowling "when the Neo-Nazi's go to the Anti-Trans rally it implies that Anti-Trans (TERF Feminists- including 2nd Gen Feminists such as Australian born bra burning Germaine Greer of The Female Eunuch and The New Woman?) are Pro-Nazi- but when Neo-Nazi's go to Pro-Palestinian rally it doesn't imply that Pro-Palestinian's are Pro-Nazi".

It appears that TERF Feminists (many of them 2nd Gen 'Equal Workplace' Feminists) have been rejected by the Woke Socialist's/ Communist's. Woke Socialist's/ Communist's seem to favour 3rd Gen 'Intersectional' Feminists and 4th Gen 'Me Too' Feminists as more appropriate for their Trotskyist "permanent revolution" march to the future. Interestingly International Women's Day was founded by Socialist's/ Communist's it seems. You can understand the confusion of normal people to what must appear perverse. The old radicals become the new conservatives in the Communist march and find themselves cancelled- much of the left protest hoopla is theatre. Dante's Divine Comedy Bloodbath.

I'm not sure that siding with either of them is helpful. But oil is critical for the stability of the world- the oil must flow- it's critical for the second industrial revolution- therefore The Middle East needs to function in certain ways. Israel needs The West- The West/ Europe are more stable than other regions of the world- if Israel dominates the Middle East then the world will be stable. But everyone is playing double games- some more than others. There are other considerations too...

"The chanting of "Palestine should be from the river to the sea" or whatever it is- is being interpreted as an implied genocidal threat to Israel- similar to the claim that Aboriginal's own all of Australia."

And similar to the claim that Anglo-European nations should be multicultural- what's going to happen to the Anglo-European's- metaphorically pushed into the sea just like the Israeli Hebrew's- to become stateless peoples. You expect foreigners to want to kill you for your territory- but when locals start to suicidally agree with the foreigners then you have a problem of a higher order of magnitude.

When nations walls break down, cultures break down, local communities break down, families break down, couples break down, then individuals want to commit suicide or don't expend effort to preserve their heritage and their future- they die! There is a loss of meaning, purpose, power- no one deserves- this is the way to chaos and death in the world. What is the evil that has done this to the world? Where is it? Why is it? We must find it and kill it and breathe life back! How do we kill the death that stalks us- without mercy- in mercy's name?

Some groups (even within the CIA) apparently believed that Hebrew's created Communism as proxy war skirmishers and agents- in a similar way that Christianity was created from Hebrew influence to eventually destroy the Roman Empire- certainly there have been many influential Communists of Hebrew ethnicity including Marx, Lenin, Trotsky, Herbert Marcuse, Saul Alinsky.

Also people of Hebrew belief's seem to be very influential in popular media (Hollywood), banking, law, business, universities, psychology- power generally- dis-proportionately to their representation within the US community.

Of course being a long stateless people is possible to lead to such psychology- but did they deserve their treatment by the Roman's or Father of the Protestant's- Martin Luther?

Who know's maybe the Hebrew's still hold a vendetta again the Roman Empire and the Holy Roman Empire and it's children- maybe not.

Correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation but maybe that is why Thomas Sewell's group is on the Pro-Palestinian side with the Woke Anti-Israel Socialist's and Communist's.

Chicken and Egg. Monkey and Egg.

Communism's eternal morphological change seems likely to create intrinsic tectonic contradictions.

The monkey was irrepressible..

A riddle in a paradox.

Canem Malum,

Interested to see your reference to Equal Workplace Feminists. Albanese is behind this, working away to force women into the workforce, and put their children into care - all to wreck the family; very old-style Soviet tactics.

The family is a real threat to the extreme Left, neo-Communists. Australia will become more and more dystopian under evil Albanese. De-femininising of women; putting younger and younger children into brainwashing factories. It's all there to see.

In the meantime, dull people want to talk about a harmless women who exercised her right to criticise part of the totalitarian machine, the Left's ABC.

Foxy,

I suspect the world would be a better place if there were fewer people convinced that they alone had access to the authentic voice of the deity.

In my youth, I also thought I could converse with YHWH. But then I realised I was just hearing the echo of my own voice.





in response to ttbn,

"The posts here are reaching the bloody ridiculous stage. Grow up!"

Wot she said. Either play along or butt out.

CM,

Forgive me for not reading your entire post beyond; (I can't be bothered with your long winded opinions.)

"Paul1405's comment about the "far right" supporting the Hebrews."

"1. The use of the one dimensional political "Left Right Continuum" seems to be a leftist invention/ legacy from the French Revolution- and distorts the true political landscape in favour of The Left/ Socialists/Communists." (One can only take so much!)

I've said before on the forum that the French have a lot to answer for with the definition of left and right in politics. That gives a false impression that the extremes are poles apart eg, Nazism and Communism, when in fact they are more alike than different. I adhere to the concept of the "Horseshoe Political Theory";

"People who believe in the horseshoe theory argue that the Far-left and the Far-right are closer to each other than either is to the centrists."

In the context of Australian politics, not sure about where you are, the moderates, which is every party represented in parliament have different opinions on various matters, and place different emphasis on policy, but none are radical or extreme to the degree that they want to change the fundamentals of society. They are all happy to work within the framework of a moderate western democracy.

You have often referred to me as a "Communist", maybe from your own radical extreme perspective I am a Communist, and the Popes a pagan. Your fixation and continual referencing of Communists and Communism on this forum, makes on think YOU are a extreme radical with a different bent, but you are never going to admit that, are you?

mhaze,

I'll leave you to "play along". The harpy has obviously got you by the goolies, you poor fool.

CM

Paul has obviously been reading some Little Green Book rubbish again. And, of course, the Greens are Communists in a 'different overcoat'.

Hi mhaze,

Goodness me. All I did was react to Josephus's comment
of the word "woke," by pointing out that Jesus was woke.
And then the banter about God evolved. Which resulted in
the usual attacks from ttbn - to me.

Its funny how I'm
always the one at fault. At least I seem to be
given multiple personalities. From a narcissist, to a
harpy, and more. I'm pleased that I'm not considered one
dimensional. And I guess I should be flattered at
the attention he consistently gives just to me. Reading
my posts and commenting on whatever I say - no matter how
trivial it may be.

ttbn feels so strongly
that he can comment where and to whom he likes, but he
thinks you should curtail your conversations with me.
A bit of a double-standard there methinks.

Hi Paul,

There's certainly a wide choice of people stuck in
various time-warps on this forum. And that's fine.
They're not going to be taken seriously in this day and age.
They're left-over relics. And we should be kind to them.
It's interesting to return to bygone eras from time to
time.

mhaze,

I know that I'm not the only one who talks to God.
It's called - Prayer. And it takes you to a
different dimension.

Jesus does not need to be defended. However He does not approve of homosexuality, same sex marriage, and human life begins at birth, or that gender is fluid, that you can be whatever animal you prefer.

Josephus,

Jesus is not being defended here. You're merely being
reminded of what Jesus taught - whereas your interpretations
of him are wrong.

In any case - try saying a prayer. It may help you.

As Rabbi Marianne Williamson said:

"Through prayer we find what we cannot find elsewhere.
A peace that is not of this world.

There is nowhere you need go to find God, for God is
within you.

Son of Hamas leader.
http://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=630412469285405

Thanks ttbn- a bit of fun. Paul1405 thinks a circle (or horseshoe) is a two dimensional surface.

We are all constrained by our perception of reality- but some more than others- at least Paul1405 recognizes that the linear "Left and Right" one dimensional model of the political terrain is over simplistic.

See here the Political Compass- still faulty but better.
http://i.redd.it/rh6dneorl2911.jpg

The Green Book of Watermelonism- I can see the slaughter in the town square- million's dead clubbed by solar panels and Japanese green tea boughs by Greta Thumberg clones to celebrate the parody parade of their thousand year cult-ture.

Josephus,

Another son:

http://kuadros.com/en-au/blogs/news/las-pinturas-mas-famosas-de-jesus#:

Religion is a wonderful thing.
It allows one to believe in whatever they choose and unites the like minded.
Where would we be without it?

Foxy,

" Prayer. And it takes you to a different dimension."

So does mediation. In fact, I think they are two sides of the same coin.

I used to have a statuette of 'The Thinker' (http://demandware.edgesuite.net/sits_pod25/dw/image/v2/AAOI_PRD/on/demandware.static/-/Sites-ArsMundi-Catalog/default/dwa9d2fd37/images/093666_1.jpg) behind which I added a picture of Christ in the dessert (http://christianitymalaysia.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/jesus-in-the-desert.jpg).

Two figures in roughly the same pose. One thought he was talking to the deity, one thought he was pondering the nature of the universe. I suspect they were both doing the same thing.

mhaze,

Thanks for such a lovely post and link.

My spiritual life is important to me.
As is meditation. Rodin's sculptures
are quite awesome. I gave a copy of
"The kiss," to my husband once as an
anniversary gift.

I have a wonderful Russian icon that I
was given. As well as a sculpture of
a nun from the Daylesford Gallery.
Plus a few other treasured objects
brought from overseas.

We were given a wooden work of art as a wedding
present of - "Our Lady of the Gate of Dawn,"
by a Lithuanian artist. It is a treasured piece.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_the_Gate_of_Dawn

It's interesting what fills us with wonder.

Thanks ttbn for the comment on women being fooled into handing over their children to what appears to be Albanese woke universalist globalist communist childcare by convincing them to go back into the workplace and "take the power".

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=10272#354765

Wise power is knowing when to take it and when to delegate it- and when others are more suited to it. Seemingly communists telling women how well they weild power so they can take it from them. Sounds like the Aesop's Fable of "The Fox and the Crow with the cheese" when the Fox convinces the Crow to sing and drop the cheese.

http://fablesofaesop.com/the-fox-and-the-crow.html

As others have said men and women are a form of division of labour but the family needs both for optimal survivability. Two parents- male and female to bring up children. Even better is an extended family to provide childcare, education, continuity, belonging, a sense of inter-generationality, importance and influence within the local community.

Kudos Kid,

Like the Old Fart, your stupidity knows no bounds; "woke universalist globalist communist" what a contrived ridiculous description of something or someone who doesn't actually exist. Are you are member of some mini cell of nut jobs who believe such rubbish? There can be no other explanation for such nonsense!

I've provided some links (not all I agree with) here to clarify terms...

woke= woke-washing and woke capitalism seemingly coined to describe the conduct of persons or entities who virtue-signal support for socialist / communist/ globalist "power" rather than working toward genuine sustainable support of disadvantaged.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke

universalist= those that believe in forcing principles on cultures without regard to cultural context and possibly to genocidally destroy cultures.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universalism

globalist= those that believe in global government (could be Locke Liberalism, Global Totalitarian Free Tradism, Global Communism such as "Communist International" COMINTERN) that disenfranchises local people from their cultural heritage of territory, built environment, cultural space, and similar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Globalism

communist= Those that believe in the principles of communism. Although truth can be in the eye of the beholder- you can see that a person or organisation seems to embody the elements of communism even if that person or organisation doesn't identify with communism themselves. Given the horror connected with Marxist Communism many try to distance themselves with Marxist Communism at least in public or in the name of Communism. Given Marxism's connection with horror it's possible for those identified as Marxist's to take out legal defamation proceedings against the identifiers- so it's important to compare and not accuse a person or organisation- to avoid being sued. While there are a few types of Communism in common parlance it often refers to Marxism and it's derivatives.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism
There appear to be links between Marxism and the Feminist movement.

Dear Paul,

I've read an interesting article recently that's worth a read:

"Political labels are a farce."

http://iai.tv/articles/political-labels-are-a-farce-auid-2090

We're told that one of the main reasons that public discourse
is so unproductive and hostile these days is that people are
thinking about politics all wrong.

That our society seems to be under the mass delusion that
there is just one issue in politics and that everyone can
be placed on a left-right spectrum, depending upon
where they stand on a given issue.

"Communists" on the far left. "Moderates" in the middle.
"Conservatives" on the right. and "Fascists" on the far-right,
and so on.

We're told that -

In politics, as in any other complex realm, there are thousands
of issues and an infinite number of ways to think about them.

Yet many of our news outlets, social media
commentators, public intellectuals, academics, and some on this
forum, are convinced that there is simply one issue, and they
form all of their political discussions around this assumption.

Of course the labels and concepts they use to discuss and think
about politics are misleading as well, causing widespread
misunderstanding and hostility,

They've become incapable of seeing a political reality that is
multidimensional because they are captured by a model that is
one dimensional.

Something to think about.

Hi Foxy,

Interesting article by Hyrum Lewis, thanks for that. The Kudos Kid who has a fixation with the subject of Communism (has made reference on the forum at least 500 times) and likes to labels all kind of people "Communists", your're a Communist, I'm a Communist. Notice he's very careful not to give anything away about himself, maybe he thinks we'll brand him a Communist as well! I don't think he is WOKE, more likely WANK.

Canem Malem, the term I think is more "Feminazi"...not so much the "Femicom". Third (and more recently Fourth) Wave femininst dogma has pervaded and infected academia and the the legal fraternity for nigh on 50 years now. So much so that it will take several generations to wash out from the status quo in every private and public institution think tank. Under Whitlam, the manifesto we were foisted with in the form of The" Australian Family Law Act (1974)" - then co-written by Lionel Murphy and Gough Whitlam, we saw the erosion of the family compact you rightly allude to in the description of 'globalist'. The descriptors become blurred and this is not by accident, for that old Roman adage of "divide and conquer" becomes the imperative. Emasculate men, deify wimmin and their reproductive rights over men's, smash and atomise the family compact by applying Restraining Orders, custody variations and restrictions of all kinds to the detriment of the family. Their Great Social Experiment has been an abject failure.

Dear Paul,

I'm glad you read the link.

It struck home with me. I was raised to realize that
we shouldn't put labels on people.

I feel sorry for some of our fixated posters on this
forum. I feel that if they were able to think about
people in a less fixated way, perhaps that would
decrease their overall stress.

I can't be healthy having so much vitriol in their
systems.

Hi Foxy,

No one, in the context of Australian society, is totally progressive or totally conservative. It very much relies on the individual, and on the particular issue at hand.

Not even our old forum buddies are totally one way or the other, but a couple do come close to being total conservative. Many conservative people look back in time through their rose coloured glasses, and hanker for those "good old days", which in reality may not have been as good as they now believe they were.

Wow Foxy, met a woman today, with her 'Carer', who is the subject of DV, not that old, but she has 7 kids under 15. Its easy to see how emotionally scarred this poor woman is from years of abuse. We don't judge, or ask invasive questions of anyone, so I don't know what the full story is, but I imagine its rather horrific.

I have read through Foxy's recent postings and noted this;
Quote
There's certainly a wide choice of people stuck in
various time-warps on this forum. And that's fine.
They're not going to be taken seriously in this day and age.
They're left-over relics. And we should be kind to them.
It's interesting to return to bygone eras from time to
time.
Unquote
I have read her posts for many a year and she always takes a soft line
on everything even when a hard response is well justified.
Of course she is very entitled to press that view.
However she is very often remote from reality.
She does not take into account that many here have read many reports
on actions that are repeated over and over again that are horrible.
There are societies that even teach their young children to practise
those actions.

Sorry Foxy, I find discussions with you like arguing with a damp sponge.
Anyway I feel better now !
A Merry Christmas to you and yours in casewe do not cross swords before then.

Bazz

Well said.

Thanks Albie Manton in Darwin for your comments on FemiNazi's. At least Foxy recognises that the political landscape is not Left-Right but multidimensional.
As Foxy says "They've become incapable of seeing a political reality that is multidimensional because they are captured by a model that is one dimensional."
Interesting Foxy's perverseness in saying that one should not use labels and then promptly uses labels to attack her enemies/ adversaries. Labels are necessary to define problems.

Hi Paul,

Thank you for your comments. Domestic violence and
other forms of abuse - is horrific. I worked for
a brief period of time for the Department of Human
Services here in Melbourne. My office was across the
hall from the Child Protection Unit. I witnessed some
very distressing moments. It's a way of life that
very few people see.

Hi Bezza,

We all have our down days and difficult moments and
none of us can be optimistic and positive all the
time. I've proven this by reacting - when the right
buttons are pushed for me on this forum. Of course I later
regret having done so. But I'm getting better at it.

As with most things in life, the sweet spot is in a
healthy balance of positivity and optimism along with
realism, a sense of context, and a working understanding
of what is appropriate and when.

The need for a balance of optimism and realism is
high-lighted when we consider how our feelings about
people influences our behaviour.

In any case Bezza - I appreciate your constructive
comments. Thank You for your good wishes and I also
wish you and yours a Lovely Festive Season. May it
be filled with everything you enjoy. Enjoy every
moment - and may the New Year bring you Good Health,
and Happiness. I'm looking forward to more of your
postings.