Has anyone ever read someone's posts on this forum
and then wandered - "Who ties their shoelaces for
them?"

They probably don't have shoes with shoelaces.

mhaze,

Generally what you have said has been in this vain;

"They are prepared to take as many of their fellow countrymen with them as they can in the hope it'll save their miserable skins, and that is unfortunately and horrific. But for the good of Israelis and Gazans and indeed the whole planet, the foul contagion of Hamas must be removed."

That does not indicate support for a cease-fire, just the opposite, you want the killings to continue until Hamas is totally eliminated, is that not your preferred option?

"is that not your preferred option?"

No. As I've said many times, my preferred option is for Hamas to surrender and be disbanded, giving up all governmental power and handing control over Gaza to some sort of international committee. This was the Egyptian proposal.

You OTOH simply want the Israelis to go away and wait meekly for the next 7/10 style attack which Hamas has promised they will surely deliver given the chance. But then, in your world, it was only Jews killed on that day, only Jews raped, only Jewish babies killed, so no harm really.
As I said, you and those like you don't want the killing to stop, you just want to save Hamas so that they can go on killing.

Unfortunately, the Egyptian proposal was going to be
rejected because of Israel's insistence on
maintaining its military control over Gaza. Netanyahu
has vowed to continue the war. Israel's offensive has
been one of the most devastating military campaigns in
recent history. It can no longer claim the argument of
self- defence. It has become - collective punishment.

"Unfortunately, the Egyptian proposal was going to be
rejected because of Israel's insistence on
maintaining its military control over Gaza."

I'm afraid you've utterly misunderstood the Egyptian proposal (which might I add was supported by the US, Qatar and Jordan). Somehow you've convinced yourself that they have completely missed this obvious flaw - how stupid are they, eh?. But its you who is misinformed.

The idea called for the dismantling of Hamas and their removal from government in Gaza. Israel's war aims are the dismantling of Hamas and their removal from government in Gaza. So if there was agreement to the Egyptian proposal, then there'd be no reason for Israel to remain in Gaza. Indeed an Israeli withdrawal following the installation of a internationally controlled interim government in Gaza was part of the Egyptian proposal.

The proposal was rejected by Hamas because it meant the end of Hamas and they are more concerned about their survival than they are concerned about the lives of their people. But then that's true of quite a few of the Hamas cheer-squad.

"one of the most devastating military campaigns in recent history."

Only if your memory of recent history is pathetically short. For a start, educate yourself on the Yemeni civil war which was really an Iran-Saudi proxy. Or read about ISIS. Or read about Syria. Or the Turkish-Kurd conflict. Or Darfur. Or Somalia. Or Boko Haram. Or the war on the Russian Steppes. or..... Honestly!

We have an entire history of failed negotiations which tell
us quite clearly that the possibility of any lasting deal
is as far away as ever because Israel prefers the status quo.

End of story.