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The Forum > General Discussion > For Hamas the business model is Gazans' misery.

For Hamas the business model is Gazans' misery.

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Dear Paul,

«now you have a problem with the word GENOCIDE!»

The word I have a problem with is ZIONIST!

The Zionist movement led to the establishment of the state of Israel.
Once Israel was established, Zionism has ended and remains only as an historical item.

When most Arabs denied the very existence of the state of Israel, they therefore continued to call its citizens "Zionists".
Those Arabs who meanwhile made peace with Israel, now call it "Israel": only those who still pretend that Israel does not exist call it "the Zionists".

For the last 76 years, the state of Israel is an established fact and no longer just an aspiration.
You may not like some of things it does, and so do I, but that is not grounds to claim that Israel does not exist, that its citizens are still merely "Zionists".

For "90% of the world condemning Zionist GENOCIDE in Gaza", they must either:
a) deny Israel's existence; or
b) repeat slogans blindly without even trying to understand what they mean.

I believe that option {b} is more common.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Saturday, 20 January 2024 11:49:17 PM
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Penny Wrong has just donated $22m of taxpayers money to Hamas. She should be fired for this.
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 21 January 2024 4:40:50 AM
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Hi Yuyutsu,

I use the word Zionist to means those Jews living within Israel and elsewhere who totally support Jewish nationalism in Palestine. At their core is religious (Judaism) fundamentalism, and far right fanaticism. These Zionist believe that there is no room for Arabs in what they perceive as their biblical homeland, and it is a biblical prophecy fulfilled when Jews occupies the entire region. It is a Zionist belief that Palestinians are illegally occupying what they see as "their land", Gaza and the West Bank, and such illegal occupiers have to be expunged as it is what God commands through the biblical prophecy. GENOCIDE will achieve that for the Zionists! There is no need to shoot or gas those "unclean" people, starvation and disease will take care of millions in the long run. Just house them in a ghetto, cut off food and medical aid and in time problem solved.
Posted by Paul1405, Sunday, 21 January 2024 6:16:21 AM
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Paul,

I don't have a problem with the word genocide because I know what it means. I was just trying to educate less enlightened members here as to that meaning.

So Paul doesn't support the type of ceasefire Wong called for. I didn't think so.

Many on the Hamas cheer-squad call for a ceasefire but never describe the terms of that ceasefire. That seems to be beyond their capabilities.
Posted by mhaze, Sunday, 21 January 2024 6:32:11 AM
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Dear Paul,

Those despicable people which you describe exist, but are not Zionist, they only plagiarise that title, likely because they believe that the establishment of the state of Israel is still incomplete.

The vast majority of Israelis believe that the establishment of Israel was completed in 1948, but indeed, there are these Jews from hell who do not. The original Zionists must feel better in their graves being unaware of what evil transpired in their name decades after their passing.

You use "Zionist" to describe these monsters, but when Hamas, on the other hand, and other Arab and Iranian bodies who refuse to acknowledge Israel's existence, speak of "Zionist", they mean Israel as a whole, bringing undue shame on millions of Israelis who have nothing to do with the disgusting attitudes and actions you described.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 21 January 2024 6:52:47 AM
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Amnesty International tells us that the international
community and particularly Israel's allies, including
the EU member states, the US and the UK must take concrete
steps to protect Gaza's civilian population from unlawful
attacks. The situation there is catastrophic and worsening.

They stress that pressure needs to be applied on Israel to
lift its decades long blockade of the Gaza Strip which amounts
to collective punishment of Gaza's population and which is a
war crime and is a key aspect of Israel's apartheid system.

Amnesty also wants assurance that the international criminal
ongoing investigation into the situation of Palestine receives
full support and all necessary resources.

There is no excuse for the continuation of what Israel is
currently doing and it's people should see to it that
it stops immediately
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 21 January 2024 9:18:35 AM
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