Shadow Minister,

It's an occupational habit to be fully versed.
I can't be held responsible for your interpretation
of the facts. Facts are facts and your denials doesn't
change them.

It's easy to understand how radical regimes are able to commit mass murder, while the general populous remain ambivalent, or even condone such action as necessary, or believe it to be justified, as we can see coming from a couple of the pro-Israel right wing poster here, as they justify the mass murder of thousands of Palestinians in Gaza, as necessary, with their "the means justifies the ends".

Happy New Year Soap Box!
Lets hope that this year will be
a better one.

Israel's long-standing status as the victim in the eyes of
the global community is slowly beginning to change and it
will become more difficult to rebuild if Israel continues
to do what it's doing.

Many around the world are beginning not to accept Israel's
right to self-defence which involves the mass killing of
Palestinians through its vast arsenal of weapons and
ammunition.

Wide-spread demonstrations in capitals and major cities of
Western countries include - Washington, New York, London,
Berlin, Paris, Madrid, Vienna, Amsterdam,
Istanbul, Jakarta, Kuala Lumpur, Sydney, Melbourne, among
others have all shown their support for the Palestinian cause.

Powerful slogans echo across the streets demanding an end
to the genocidal war thats killing so many innocent people
on both sides.

Protestors emphasize all people's right to life, freedom,
equality and dignity. Universal principals that should apply
to all human beings regardless of their geographic
location, ethnicity or religion.

Israel's historical track record of pursuing colonialist,
discriminatory and aggressive policies against Palestinians
dates back to its foundation more than seven decades ago.

It has to stop. You can't kill your way to peace.

Foxy wrote: "How about giving us the actual link"
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I provided all the links. I even provided alternate links for those who would try to hide from the evidence by blaming the NYT paywall. And yet Foxy still couldn't see it!! If you don't want it to be true then refusing to read about it means it isn't true. Not exactly the path to the truth, but then Foxy isn't concerned about the truth.

SoapBox wrote: "is that your justification for the indiscriminate killing"
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You see, Soapbox, you just declaring that the Israelis are involved in the "indiscriminate killing of innocent Palestinian women and children " isn't the same as it being so. The overwhelming evidence is that the Israelis are bending over backwards to avoid civilians deaths against an enemy which relishes the deaths of its own people as a propaganda tool. Just saying the opposite to the facts doesn't make it so, no matter how often you repeat it.

Foxy wrote: "Here's the thing:....Not a viable situation."
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I know why Hamas will refuse to accept the ceasefire. They value their power and personal wealth more than they value the lives of their own people. So they will not give up power in order to stop the deaths of their people.

But that wasn't what I was asking you. I was asking if YOU personally support the idea of Hamas giving up their power in order to stop the killings. I appreciate why you want to avoid answering that but doing so proves that you also, despite constantly whining about the deaths, actually prefer Hamas to remain in power, irrespective of how many Gazans die in that cause.

mhaze,

The New York Times data that you quoted did make it
quite clear that the data was not obtained from actual
witnesses and they could not verify it.

Yet you choose to quote it as facts.

No mhaze, you don't have "overwhelming evidence is that the Israelis are bending over backwards to avoid civilians deaths" you only have your parroting of the claim by Israel that is the case, the death toll among civilians, which again you only accept the Israeli figure, not those from independent sources, is extremely high regardless, it can't be dismissed simply as collateral damage. I agree with Foxy, Israel can not longer rely on international sympathy. Even their staunch ally America, is questioning the Israeli tactics of targeting apartment buildings where large numbers of women and children are housed.