Well folks, I shall repeat what I posted on my
discussion about Israel - "Always the victim":

I have presented the facts to you, to the best
of my ability. Whether you want to argue them
that is up to you.

You can define me as you choose. I know who I am.
End of story. 'Nuff said.

Foxy.....

"The New York Times data that you quoted did make it
quite clear that the data was not obtained from actual
witnesses and they could not verify it."

That's utter rubbish. Did you read the article?

Might I point out that you've gone from claiming I didn't provide links to claiming the links weren't to your liking. Anything to avoid the facts, eh?

Soapbox.....

"you don't have "overwhelming evidence is that the Israelis are bending over backwards to avoid civilians deaths"

Well this is from Israel so you'll reflexively ignore it, but there is evidence that Israel does its best to avoid civilian causalities.

http://nypost.com/2021/05/18/israeli-video-shows-mission-being-scrubbed-after-kids-were-seen/

(This is but one of many similar examples)

You on the other hand have no evidence that Israel is indiscriminately killing civilians. Yet you base all your assertions on that non-fact

" I shall repeat what I posted on my
discussion about Israel - "Always the victim":"

Yet when I pushed back against that silly assertion, you immediately withdrew. 'Facts' that are so easily discredited aren't really worth much.

I also notice that you continue to avoid addressing the simple question of whether Hamas should surrender in order to stop the killing. It seems that you, like them, value the survival of Hamas above the lives of the Gazans.

mhaze, you seem intent on moving the responsibility for the deaths of thousands of innocent women and children in Gaza, away from the perpetrators of this humanitarian crime, the Israelis, to a sub group, within the victimised cohort, Hamas. You have put up all kinds of justification, but none of its relevant, the fact remains innocent Palestinians are being murdered by Israel, and that cannot be justified by past events, and the cessation of the Israeli action should not be contingent on a demand they place on the sub group Hamas, within the victimised cohort.

Wow, 2000 members of Hamas invade Israel and perpetrate the most vile acts of inhumanity against innocent women and girls...

( a young woman with copper-color hair, blood running down her back, pants pushed down to her knees. One man pulled her by the hair and made her bend over. Another penetrated her, Sapir said, and every time she flinched, he plunged a knife into her back.

She said she then watched another woman “shredded into pieces.” While one terrorist raped her, she said, another pulled out a box cutter and sliced off her breast.)

and, in order to victim-blame, you decide that these animals become a mere sub-group!!

Again, soapbox, you have zero evidence that Israel is indiscriminate in its actions, just mere assertion.

Israel will ensure that their women and girls cannot again suffer as they suffered on 7/10. That can only be achieved by eliminating Hamas and those who make up the Hamas's army. That civilians will die in that effort because Hamas wants them to die as protection and propaganda is an unfortunate given.

The killing can stop today, but those who lament the killing place the lives of the civilians on a lower level than the lives of the Hamas fighters and keeping Hamas in power in order to further harass Jewish women and children.

Australia has joined 152 other countries at the
United Nations calling for a ceasefire in Gaza.
But there were conditions. No Hamas role in
Gaza's future government and the release of the
roughly 130 hostages still in its custody.

The government has made it clear that a sustainable
ceasefire cannot be one-sided and cannot be
unconditional.