Soap box and Foxy,

Early in the war, Hamas claimed that Israel had bombed a hospital killing 500 people. Surveillance footage showed that it was a rocket launched by Hamas that hit the hospital parking lot killing about 100 people at most.

So when Hamas claimed that 20,000 people had been killed by Israel this number was highly dubious and didn't include those killed directly by Hamas.

Foxy that a "UN official" accepts these numbers gives them no credibility.

Shadow Minister,

If both sides see themselves by their victimhood - will
either side ever see clearly about the problems of
the conflict?

Every aggressor presents itself as a victim reacting to an
aggression.

"About 15 meters from her hiding place, she said, she saw motorcycles, cars and trucks pulling up. She said that she saw “about 100 men,” most of them dressed in military fatigues and combat boots, a few in dark sweatsuits, getting in and out of the vehicles. She said the men congregated along the road and passed between them assault rifles, grenades, small missiles — and badly wounded women.

“It was like an assembly point,” she said.

The first victim she said she saw was a young woman with copper-color hair, blood running down her back, pants pushed down to her knees. One man pulled her by the hair and made her bend over. Another penetrated her, Sapir said, and every time she flinched, he plunged a knife into her back.

She said she then watched another woman “shredded into pieces.” While one terrorist raped her, she said, another pulled out a box cutter and sliced off her breast.

“One continues to rape her, and the other throws her breast to someone else, and they play with it, throw it, and it falls on the road,” Sapir said.

She said the men sliced her face and then the woman fell out of view. Around the same time, she said, she saw three other women raped and terrorists carrying the severed heads of three more women…."

The now famous women in the black dress was found stripped, raped, legs spread and burned alive, arm raised in a final attempt to protect her face. Her last WhatApp message.... "You don't understand".

Was she writing to her family or to the whole disgusting Jew-hating world?

We're told that "more than 8,663 Palestinian children
have been killed by Israeli forces in Gaza since
October 7th," according to the government media office
which added that thousands more are missing under the
rubble amid relentless bombardment.

An "endless cycle of bloodshed" continues with a military
solution to a political problem.

According to Save The Children data in early November -
a child is being killed every 10 minutes. The human rights
organizations and the UN have called the besieged
Palestinian enclave - "a graveyard for children" due to the
high casualty figures.

An overwhelming number of more than 21,000 people killed in
the nearly 3 months of Israeli bombardment, which is the most
destructive in recent history, has been civilians.

Israel has repeatedly targeted schools, and even neo-natal care
centres have not been spared, resulting in the killing of
newborn babies.

But of course the Israeli government's actions is not
aggressive. They are merely defending themselves. They are
after all the victims and can't understand the criticism they
are receiving worldwide, and from their own people in Israel.

Sigh.

Yes, this killing must stop now. HamaSS needs to fully accept the Egyptian ceasefire proposal immediately, release all hostages and abdicate from power.

I'm sure you agree, Foxy.

mhaze,

Here's the thing:

The Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu
has said that the Israeli Defence Force (IDF) will
not halt fighting in the strip until it topples Hamas.

The Israeli PM has stated - "We won't stop fighting.
We're not stopping the war. This war is not going to
end until we finish them. No less than that."

Israel has a Prime Minister who advocates beating
Palestinians "repeatedly" "until the pain is "unbearable."

Hamas has asked that aid for their people must increase
and keep coming and must reach the populations in the
North and South. They told Egypt that the aggression must
stop and then they are ready for prisoner swaps.

Not a viable situation.