How does Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor (or any other group for that matter) determine how many people have been killed and the breakdown between women, children, male civilians and HamaSS fighters?

Answer, they rely on numbers put out by HamaSS itself. The whole thing is part of the propaganda war. Pick you side and accept their numbers, pretending all the while to be non-partisan.

The fact is the IDF is as careful as its possible to be in regards to non-combatant deaths - more so than any other army on the planet. Russia fires indiscriminately into population centres, as does HamaSS. Israel alone advises populations to evacuate regions or even just buildings prior to taking action. When they designate an area safe for civilians, HamaSS immediately moves its rockets and operatives into that region.

HamaSS must be destroyed and will be destroyed not just for the good of Israel but also for the good of the Gazan civilians so many fret about.

But why is it that those who piously call out Israel for civilian deaths, demur from calling for HamaSS to accept the proffered ceasefires that would end those deaths?

Soap box,

The casualty figures come from Hamas, who have been shown to be lying about these figures before, boosting figures by 100% to 300%. So the veracity of the figures is extremely doubtful.

Secondly, the high casualty figures are due to Hamas's war crimes of using civilians as human shields.

A UN official explained that the "reason for the high
casualty figures is that the attacks are much bigger
than anything we've seen in previous wars. It's not
about inflating numbers."

Of course Israel down plays civilian deaths and falsely
claims Palestinians killed by the army in the war are
combatants.

"As long as they can create of fog of war and misinformation
about what's taking place - this provides cover for it to
continue and have innocent people killed every day."

mhaze, what is your affiliation with the Israelis, you seem to follow their line for everything its worth. Regardless of the exact number there are thousands dead, and many are women and children. Its difficult to discuss the issue of human rights and war crimes as it applies to both side, if you're only going accept Israeli accounts.

I have no affiliation with Israel. But I do know right from wrong and I have, over the decades, bothered to acquaint myself with the facts of the Levant and the attempts to wipe out the Jewish nation.

In that regard, I think it is vital that the only democracy in the Levant survives both for the good of western civilisation and for the good of the Jewish race. I'm also aware of the historic justification for the Israeli nation and the unjustness of the moves to destroy it.

Finally, I remain aware of the fact that this whole current shemozzle came about as the result of the invasion of Israel and the wanton murder of around 1200 unarmed civilians. No nation would or could accept that without retaliation. Every nation would do all necessary to ensure it never happens again. Only Israel is denied this right by the world's left.

Neither side's claims are to be accepted at face value. But experience shows that the Israeli numbers are more likely to be right and conservative whereas HamaSS has a vested interest in exaggerating their suffering. The HamaSS cheer-squad will have already forgotten how HamaSS exaggerated the death toll around Al Shifa, but I haven't. The only time we could verify their numbers and they were shown to be wildly inaccurate.

"Its difficult to discuss the issue of human rights and war crimes as it applies to both side, if you're only going accept Israeli accounts.".... or if you're only going to accept Hamas' figures.

But the important issue is the destruction of HamaSS both for the good of Israel and the good of the Gazans.

"Finally, I remain aware of the fact that this whole current shemozzle came about as the result of the invasion of Israel and the wanton murder of around 1200 unarmed civilians. "

I know the anti-Jewish brigade reflexively deny or minimise the barbarity of the 7 October attacks, but the NY Times has just released a report on their investigations into the sexual violence perpetrated by the Gazan maniacs against unarmed Jewish women. It is confronting reading.

http://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/28/world/middleeast/oct-7-attacks-hamas-israel-sexual-violence.html?campaign_id=307&emc=edit_igwb_20231229&instance_id=111266&nl=israel-hamas-war-briefing&regi_id=67475291&segment_id=153814&te=1&user_id=c07dff483db3a137972b75cb91977db8

Lest those so inclined use the excuse of paywall to hide from these truths, others have carried a précis of the main points...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/gut-wrenching-new-york-times-report-details-widespread-sexual-atrocities-on-october-7-i-still-remember-her-voice-screams-without-words/ar-AA1maibU

http://legalinsurrection.com/2023/12/the-times-viewed-photographs-of-one-womans-corpse-with-dozens-of-nails-driven-into-her-thighs-and-groin/

Watch the videos in those....if you can.

"Screams without words".

http://twitter.com/KatiePavlich/status/1727012919055880361

"Perhaps the greatest mercy Israel is showing to Gaza is not releasing to the public the full details of what was done by the invaders to their victims. Ostensibly for the sensitivities of the families, but also I think because what populace would be able to restrain themselves?"

"Now you know why Israel is so determined to eliminate Hamas and the other Jihadist terror groups. This time it is different."