mhaze,

And yet you have the audacity to think that you've
still got any cred. on this Forum.

Struth!

Dear Foxy,

«If they - would visit the Occupied Territories, cross over into
East Jerusalem and experience for themselves the trials of
being Palestinian,...»

I wouldn't do that.

When visiting Israel I take special care not to cross into the occupied territories and enjoy the fruits of occupation, even if that means taking a longer route. The Israeli government tries to erase Israel's border, including by eliminating it from schoolbooks and by building highways across it that are faster and difficult to avoid, but I do remember exactly where the border is. There is a long mall in Jerusalem which spans both sides of the border, so I enter it from the Western side and know where to stop and not enter the shops on the eastern side.

«It is possible to be proudly Jewish and
vehemently anti Zionist. As so many Jews are.»

Yes, this perfectly describes the Jewish settlers in the West Bank.

They are not Zionist - they dismantle all the good things which Zionism built, while theirs is a nasty caricature of Zionism, stealing a title they do not deserve.

Their motive is openly to drive away the local Arab population by any means, including by making their lives miserable, because that is supposed to bring their beloved "Messiah" to rule over Israel and make it a perfect theocracy, where non-Jews are slaves, women are property, homosexuals killed and those who violate the Sabbath burned by pouring molten tin and lead into their throats.

And who would that Messiah be? A descendant of King David, one of the most cruel and corrupt kings ever, worse even than Netanyahu!

One of the 13 basic tenets, or Credo, of Judaism, is the expectation for that Messiah to come. Jews pray at least 3 times a day for his coming (Benediction #15 in http://tzion.org/articles/EighteenBenedictions.htm : "Speedily cause the offspring of David, Your servant, to flourish...") - I don't think that anyone should be proud to be a Jew.

"The current excuses, accusations of anti-Semitism, et cetera -
does not give us much hope for the future."

Anti-Semitism

One thing I thought of this morning is how on the one hand we have this idea of 'Anti-Semitism' an accusation made towards anyone who criticises Jews / Israelis / Zionists in any way whatsover, INCLUDING their own.
Then on the other hand I have Yuyutsu's comments.
He has gone to lengths to reinforce the idea that not everyone agrees and that there are many different views.

It almost feels like these are 2 seperate positions above;
And that Jews / Israelis / Zionists are at war with themselves.

How are they a broad minded people, with many differing views but at the same time have the constraints of 'Anti-Semitism' including being criticised by their own if they move away from an accepted / mutually accepted position

Dear Critic,

I think you may enjoy reading the classic story "The Sermon" by the Israeli novelist Haim Hazaz, published in 1942:
http://tikvahfund.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Haim-Hazaz-The-Sermon-HaDrasha.pdf

Quotes:

"Zionism and Judaism are not the same thing at all but two entirely different things, perhaps even two contradictory things. Most certainly two contradictory things! At any rate, they are not the same. A man becomes a Zionist when he can't be a Jew any more."

"No, I am not exaggerating. The first Zionists to come to this land were very lukewarm Jews. And don't tell me that they came here to escape persecution - that's nonsense. They came because they were already shadows of themselves, because they were ruined, hollow men inside. Zionism begins with the destruction of Judaism, with the people's failure of nerve. That's a fact! The real truth about Zionism is yet to be told. It's much deeper, much more radical in its consequences than anyone thinks."

Oh dear...the women who thinks Miriam Margolyes is some sort of authority wants to talk about 'cred'.
Besides Foxy, I consulted Betty Boop (http://i2.wp.com/fashionstyledetroit.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/Betty-Boop.jpg) and she confirmed Miriam was wrong.

Look Foxy, this constant retreat to claiming this or that posters hasn't any credibility based on your word, does you no credit.

We all know its your fall back position when you realise that addressing a posters points is beyond your means and that attempting to do so will result in your looking both ill-informed and rather silly. So the ad hominem is the last resort.

Just address the issues:
Why do you ignore valid attempts at ceasefire?
Why do you only wail about mohammadian deaths when Israel is involved?
Why don't you acknowledge errors such as your silly claims about tunnels under Al Shifa when we all know you were wrong?

etc etc

mhaze,

I have made my position quite clear on this discussion.
Your usual diversions are out of place.
Find a more healthy way to express your frustrations
that won't have you hospitalized or imprisoned.

As for your credibility?

Your posting record speaks for itself.