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Netanyahu Declares War.
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Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 8:27:59 AM
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You are at it again.
Big claims with no supporting evidence. The NYT reported Friday that: “American intelligence agencies have assessed that a deadly blast at a Gaza hospital on Tuesday killed 100 to 300 people, a more conservative estimate than that given by officials in Gaza, and that the hospital suffered light damage.” http://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/19/world/middleeast/gaza-hospital-blast-deaths.html You are now claiming it is clear it was between 10 and 50. What do you know that the American intelligence agencies don’t? Mis and dis information with every post from you seems to be your new standard. It really is tiring. Posted by SteeleRedux, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 9:45:49 AM
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Dear Steele,
I watched Q and A last night. It was a good panel, and interesting questions from the audience. It showed how emotionally involved some people are in this conflict. And I guess it's inevitable where each side is convinced that they're right. It was good to hear though that there's a difference between Hamas as a terrorist organization and the Palestinian people. They should not be lumped in the one basket. It was also good to hear that a cease-fire needs to be called, full aid to Gaza provided, and hostages released so that peace talks could stand a chance. As long as Israel continues on its current path under Netanyahu - this conflict will prevail. And Hamas won't give up. Netanyahu - has a lot to answer - and his government should be replaced. Israel should not be given a blank cheque or encouraged to contune its current action. It needs to be held to account. Just as Hamas does. But Israel is the stronger military power in the Middle East - and receives financial support from the US in billions of dollars. Its land-grabs and expansion settlements and treating Palestinians as prisoners also needs to stop. Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 10:21:01 AM
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"It was good to hear though that there's a difference
between Hamas as a terrorist organization" Sometimes things are not as simple as they seem Foxy. Firstly you should understand that this occupation, attacks on Palestinians and continued settlement building itself created Hamas and you should also understand that Hamas is the legitimate elected government in Gaza. Then you should also recognise that the Palestinians have a right to resist occupation if they so choose, and that Israel itself and the US helped create Hamas, so that it would divide the Palestinian population against a 2 state solution, playing into Israels hands to continue taking land for settlement building, which makes it really hard to take back if regular people live there. In regards to the explosion at the Baptist hospital a week ago, I still don't know the truth, but there is an argument that Israel was tracing burner phones, had triangulated a signal to the hospital carpark, made a decision to hit that target, (not with a large JDAM missile that we have seen level apartment buildings) but with a a smaller missile designed to hit say - a car in a carpark. Israel fired this smaller missile, it hit the target - A Hamas militant in a car, and the car blew up, there may or may not have been a missile or munitions there, and the carpark was probably full of people. Neither side wants to go into the details, because: 1. Hamas was using the Hospital and people present as human shields 2. Israel did actually hit the hospital and cause a large number of civilian deaths / casualties. Then you also have that tweet, from Netanyahu's digital information officer, who would be in the know - and his argument that he was reading from a Reuters article doesn't stack up because no Reuters article gave the details he did in his retraction and claim the tweet was in error. Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 11:09:27 AM
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Hi mhaze,
"I get that you just want this to all be Israel's fault. But the slightest fact checking would reveal the truth to you. I guess the people you rely on to tell you what to think have decided to hide those facts from you." It is Israels (and the United States) fault. - In this conflict - indirectly - in the exact same way that the situation in Ukraine is indirectly the United States, the United Kingdom and Europeans fault. - You can't say that either of these conflicts were completely unprovoked, and if you do then you need to go back and have a more thorough accounting of history. Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 11:19:06 AM
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"First the Israeli artillery and rocket bombardment to soften up the Palestinian civilian population with indiscriminate causalities and deaths of men, women and children. "
Actually FIRST came the wanton slaughter of the Israelis, killing the defenceless, decapitating babies, raping women alive or dead, kidnapping old women for the prize-money, tying mother and child together with wire and then burning them alive. You know, that type of everyday activity!! But that happened over a fortnight ago, so poor old Paul will have already forgotten it. http://twitter.com/DavidSaranga/status/1710692320599785650 (ponder what she went through to end up with that much blood in her crotch) Posted by mhaze, Tuesday, 24 October 2023 5:05:35 PM
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http://reuters.com/world/disinformation-surge-threatens-fuel-israel-hamas-conflict-2023-10-18/