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Netanyahu Declares War.

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I thought you'd be pleased with all this Shadow Minister
Don't you have a new temple to build somewhere?

Hmmm
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 11:03:36 AM
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Shadow Minister,

Palestinian territory encompasses the Gaza Strip and
West Bank including East Jerusalem - and it has been
illegally occupied by Israel since 1967.

People are being ruled against their will and they don't
want to be ruled by a foreign military.

Cutting aid and punishing an entire community who did not
carry out the attack is dreadful and ordinary Palestinians
on top of the miserable reality that they live in - this is
politics of a sinister kind. Cutting off food, water, and
electricity to Gaza - is extreme action. It will only
encourage more hatred and retaliation and the continuance
of this conflict.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 11:03:46 AM
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Hi Foxy,

"People are being ruled against their will and they don't
want to be ruled by a foreign military."

Geez, that may just sound awfully familiar to the citizens of the Donbass who were bombed for 8 years, don't you think?

Like I said earlier the whole worlds full of it.

Did you catch that last link I added earlier that coincided with one of your previous comments?
(It's good, not bad - or truthfully none of its good)

And Shadow Minister,
It's not my fault you get your panties all up in a wad when I say things you don't like.
Try to be calm, go pop a couple of Valium or Xanax or something and try to rest your nerves.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 11:15:43 AM
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http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/editorial/2023-10-08/ty-article-opinion/netanyahu-bears-responsibility/0000018b-0b9d-d8fc-adff-6bfd1c880000

"This also included a massive expansion of settlements and bolstering of the Jewish presence on the temple mount, near the Al-Aqsa Mosque, as well as boasts of an impending peace deal with the Saudi's in which the Palestinians would get nothing, with open talk of a "Second Nakba" in his governing coalition. As expected, signs of an outbreak of hostilities began in the West Bank, where Palestinians started feeling the heavier hand of the Israeli occupier. Hamas exploited the opportunity in order to launch its surprise attack on Saturday."

Hamas in 2017: The document in full
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full

20. Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.

Well shite ay...

If you want peace, support what Lavrov and Yuyutsu are saying.

http://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1710690300765585583

Russian Foreign Affairs Ministry:
"We call for an immediate ceasefire and a peace plan based on the establishment of an independent Palestinian state within the 1967 borders, with East Jerusalem as its capital"

Well shite ay...
Who would of bloody known that Russia was the sensible person in the room.

Yuyutsu,
Is all this a result of Netanyahu's hard right policies?
Posted by Armchair Critic, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 11:38:22 AM
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Dear Critic,

«A nation founded by terrorism, a political party founded by terrorists, to which Netanyahu was / or the leader of the party.
(Yuyutsu might correct me here not sure the current political situation)»

I am just too busy today to respond in full, but essentially my answer is that things there were never black-and-white. There were terrorism and terrorists on both sides, but there was also much generosity.

The Likud party, formerly known as "Cherut", "Gachal" and "Machal" was found by Menachem Begin who was a very honourable man who wanted peace (I could add more but don't have the time today). Begin's son and many other former Likud members, left the party in disgust of Netanyahu and his fellow corrupt clan who have little to do with the original party.

To see the mixed bag, the original values of Begin's movement, I quote/translate from their anthem:

"With blood and sweat a new race will be constructed for us, which shall be Genius/Intelligent/Proud, Generous and Cruel".

That first quality can be translated both as "genius" and "proud",
the second quality, "Generous", seems to have been forgotten by the current mob presently in government, which sadly remembers only the third, whose original spirit was "cruel when necessary, when genius and generosity fail to work".

«Yuyutsu, I hope your family and friends in Israel are safe and well.»

Thank you so much. Some by fluke are out of the country at the moment, touring Japan (if they cannot find a flight back since most are cancelled, then they could possibly visit me instead), all others I believe to be safe but the situation keeps changing. They stay locked up at home due to the constant air-raid sirens and fires from rockets, and while the older ones manage well, this can be difficult for one single mother with two small children that cannot understand why there is no kindergarten and why they cannot go down to play outside, to the beach, not even for shopping (and the supermarkets are now empty anyway).
Posted by Yuyutsu, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 11:40:00 AM
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In Sydney, while police look on after arresting a man with an Israeli flag, the lovely Palestinians, beloved of Australian communists, are shouting "gas the Jews".

Chris Minns has 'slammed' the Palestinian supporters of terrorism, saying their disgusting behaviour in the safety of a weak, democratic country, is "against the tenets of our multicultural community".

What did these idiot politicians who enabled multiculturalism think was going to happen, in a weak country like Australia!
Posted by ttbn, Tuesday, 10 October 2023 12:22:50 PM
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