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Israel Occupied by Whom ?

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Dear Dan,

«I think you misunderstand my interest in the new push for the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan 2.0»

Oh that one was not on my mind.

Well, to me this looks like as nothing but a Saudi plot against Jordan.
If any so-called "Palestinians" are freely allowed into Jordan, then they would surely plot to topple the King and the rest of the Jordanian establishment, then invite the Syrians to take over. They tried this before and almost succeeded. No one can trust these "Palestinians" and no one should have to admit them into their country unleashed.

This may be a Saudi interest (due to its historical rivalry with Jordan over who is the true heir of the Prophet), but for Israel that would spread Syria and the troops of its patrons', Iran and Russia, all across its long eastern border. I don't even want to contemplate what could happen to poor Israel if Iranian and Russian forces were lined across its eastern border instead of the friendly buffer of the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan it now has. I'm afraid that would spell Israel's violent end.

«as an alternative to the two state solution»

Well I don't support the two state solution either because it would leave Eastern Jerusalem and other sections of the West Bank in Israeli hands and remove Israel's incentive to get rid of them. A poisonous sting must be removed completely, cutting out just part of it is not very helpful.

«how can Israel be accused of illegally settling in its own territory? Viz West Bank.»

I am not the person to ask about legalities, maybe it is legal maybe it is not, but if such accusations help getting Israel to withdraw from the West Bank then I am happy for it.

«The green line was always an arbitrary...»

The significance of the green line is that any territory to its east is a gain from Israel's 1967 war. For Israel to renounce the poisoned fruits of its 1967 war, it must keep to the western side of that line.

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Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 14 August 2023 4:02:28 PM
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«and has no legal impediment to the advance of Israeli settlements.»

I only oppose the presence of Israel there, not of Jews. If Jewish settlers wish to remain there on their own then they should be allowed to stay.

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Dear ShadowMinister,

«Israel's poisonous 1967 war? Rubbish!»

What do you know about the internals of Israeli society?
What do you know about the arrogant, violent and militaristic songs that Israelis started to sing following Israel's 1967 victory?
What do you know about the true intentions of Israel's government when they started the 1967 war, as opposed to the declared reasons.
What do you know about the violence of the 1967 war spilling into every aspect of life in Israel, including domestically and on Israel's roads?
What do you know about the country that lost its character and its way due to that military victory, which as a consequence is now on the brink of civil war and breaking up?

«The wars between Israel and its Arab neighbours in 1948, 1967 and 1973 were all started by the Arab countries. Israel simply finished them.»

Yes, Israel successfully did whatever it needed to do, it destroyed the 3 attacking Arab armies, but once it finished it did not need to remain in those territories.

This has nothing to do with Arabs and everything to do with Israel's internal affairs.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Monday, 14 August 2023 4:02:32 PM
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Taken from the web:

"I have a friend whose name was Mohammad.
He shortened it to:
'Don't shoot.'"

For those of you who criticize the "Eastern" way of dress:

Western dress is a 10 gallon hat and cowboy boots.
The rest are regarded simply as clothes.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 14 August 2023 4:45:48 PM
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"What do you think defensive lines are for? Aggression or defence?"

Its to defend positions taken as a result of aggression preparatory to more aggression.

Caesar surrounded the city of Alesia with two defensive walls. So clearly he wasn't the aggressor </sarc>
Posted by mhaze, Monday, 14 August 2023 10:29:31 PM
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Dear Foxy,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQ7bVuXTYv0
Posted by david f, Monday, 14 August 2023 10:56:15 PM
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Steelereflux,

Once again you are being liberal with the truth. Firstly Nasser had made it perfectly clear to the entire world that he intended to put together a coalition to drive the Jews into the sea.

Egypt then assembled a massive army and airforce with the help of the Russians and moved this massive army to the border with Israel. Next, it blockaded Israel's port (an act of war) and then Egypt then forced the UN peacekeepers that separated Egypt and Israel in final preparation for battle.

At this point, Israel was entirely justified in retaliating and only LWNJ's or morons claim that Israel started the war.
Posted by shadowminister, Tuesday, 15 August 2023 2:52:36 PM
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