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Israel Occupied by Whom ?

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Where are the Canaanites?

Modern research indicates that the Canaanites and the Jews are one and the same!

When the Jews/Judeans/Canaanites began, at the time of King Josiah, to follow the Biblical god, they were too embarrassed about their past worship of the idols of Ba'al and Asherah (including in Jerusalem's temple), so they invented the "Canaanites" as separate idol-worshiping people whom they presumably fought and vanquished. Most archaeologists agree that the book of Joshua is fictional (for adoring that believed-to-be-a-god leader, Joshua).

Now about Israel's occupation:

Apart from by a few hopeless Muslim fanatics, Israel's existence and presence in its region is not generally contested.

What is being contested, however, both within Israel and outside, is Israel's particular occupation of certain regions it took in its 1967 war.

That Israel had to fight and take over these regions in order to drive out the threatening Arab armies, can hardly be contested either. The question only being, why did it stay there once the Arab armies were vanquished and routed.

The 1967 war wasn't fought, as retrospectively claimed, on behalf of Judaism - it was fought by a corrupt socialist government for the sake of aggrandisement and looting, which cared the least about Judaism, Jews or the Bible. While they had all sorts of excuses, the true purpose of that war and its following occupation, was to allow Moshe Dayan, then Defense Minister, to loot archaeological artifacts in the occupied territories for his private backyard collection.

The bad spirit and arrogance in which that war was conducted has corrupted Israel till this very day, produced violence in every walk of life and torn down its society. Today we are seeing some of its bitter fruits.

Asking whether Jews are entitled to the whole land of Israel, is asking the wrong question. The real issue is that the poisonous proceeds of Israel's 1967 war that corrupt Israel from within, must be renounced and never enjoyed. Had the territories in question been or will in future be taken in other hypothetical circumstances, we could then re-examine the validity of such occupations separately.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 9 August 2023 11:15:36 PM
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Yuyutsu

Well, following along with your sentiment then, you’d be happy for the Ukrainians to not occupy Crimea if they manage to topple Putin.

Israelis settlements on the West Bank are not illegal. Even the US accept that position, and Biden hasn’t changed the US acceptance.

So what is your real gripe?
Posted by diver dan, Friday, 11 August 2023 10:25:44 PM
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Dear Dan,

If the Ukrainians in Crimea no longer want to be part of Ukraine then I am most happy for them to not be. Same for any region of Australia. The problem is that so long as Russia is there, no fair and unbiased referendum can take place.

«Israelis settlements on the West Bank are not illegal.»

Surprise Surprise, I have nothing against these settlements as such.
If these Jews want to remain there and defend themselves without the Israeli army, then so be it.

As you could learn from my many comments here over the years, I have not the slightest concern whether something is legal or otherwise, only whether it is right or wrong. All I know is that Israel's 1967 (I wish numerals had capitals, then I would capitalise that number) occupation is very bad for Israel and corrupts it from within. For Israel to heal itself, it should leave these territories all the way to its original border, not keep even a square millimeter. This also includes Eastern Jerusalem and the Golan Heights.

The Jewish settlers were not in control in 1967, they did not initiate the war nor the decision for Israel to stay in its occupied territories, thus they are not at fault. I just wish they renounced their Israeli citizenship and remain to live happily where they are.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Saturday, 12 August 2023 7:38:11 PM
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Yuyutsu

Well the green line and the 38th parallel share the same legitimacy: These are not mandatory borders.

The fat lady is yet to sing.
Posted by diver dan, Sunday, 13 August 2023 9:47:41 AM
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Dear Dan,

This is not about international border lines or anything international at all, this is an internal Israeli issue, relating to its internal history and probably the most important thing it ever had to deal with.

The way the 1967 war was conducted, the corruption, the criminal intent by a criminal Defense Minister, and the arrogant militaristic spirit it introduced, the spirit warned against in Deuteronomy 8:17, forgetting God and instead saying - "And thou say in thine heart, My power and the might of mine hand hath gotten me this wealth", that spirit corrodes Israel from within ever since and is now shattering it to pieces.

Israel cannot recover and return to its good old self until it repents and renounces the fruits of that war. The practical aspect of it essentially consists of a return to remain behind the pre-1967 green line.

I don't understand why you hate Israel so much that you want to prevent it, in the name of some foreign (American?) interests, from reforming, regrouping, cleansing, healing and returning to being a shining moral example to the world.
Posted by Yuyutsu, Sunday, 13 August 2023 1:45:34 PM
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Dear David,

Sometimes the right hug from the right person
at the right time helps during bad times.

All The Best.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 13 August 2023 2:46:17 PM
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