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The treaty at the heart of Uluru.

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Of course many people are inspired by "politically conservative religious organisation, the Australian Christian Lobby (ACL)", just like the rest of you are inspired by the Greens Party and the Communists.

What a stupid comment from Banjo Django Paterson, who goes on to insinuate that The Australian is racist, when it is Paterson himself and his kind who are the ones supporting the ultra-racist Voice.

But, again, I have to say that there is no point trying to understand stupid people.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 13 August 2023 8:33:54 AM
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Dear Fester,

Past governments have made the decisions for our Indigenous
people without consulting what works best in their communities
for them. That's why it is important to give them a direct
Voice to Parliament Vote YES - the power is still with
government, but at least listen to what the Indigenous have
to say.

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Dear Banjo Paterson,

Ignore the Ad Hominem attack.

A typical tactic used by many on discussion forums such as this
one. Instead of addressing someone's
argument or position - another poster irrelevantly attacks the
person or some aspect of the person who's making the
argument. It shows this poster unfortunately, is not capable of higher-level thinking.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 13 August 2023 9:44:01 AM
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Past governments have made the decisions for our Indigenous
people without consulting what works best in their communities
for them.
Foxy,
That is as ignorant as I'm used to deal with over my years in communities. The people couldn't or wouldn't tell what they want as they had no concept of improving facilities. Nowadays complaints range from housing to shopping to health etc. In my early days I recall people telling me off when I offered to provide a shower set up or give advise on fixing general things. "we don't want your white man rubbish" was not an uncommon reply or "do you think I'm stupid" when trying to show how to use a tool. The community leaders who had exposure to the pleasures of travelling to southern centres for free got addicted to the jaunts & benefits & sharing wasn't a word in their vocabulary.
The people of the early days in some (Qld) communities worked but since the Goss labor Govt days education or rather indoctrination has changed work ethics to blame & pretend discrimination tactics. These tactics have proven to work rather well for the streetwise but this left the communities behind so far as community spirit went. Very soon into the Goss years the fake indigenous made their entrance & nothing's changed since appart from the monies wasted & prospects of decent people lost. That was Labor then & is Labor now !
Posted by Indyvidual, Sunday, 13 August 2023 10:03:51 AM
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Unlike the abominable GreenLabor race-obsessed and divisive federal government, the South Australian Labor government is planning to do something useful in our AYP Lands to enhance community safety through improved agency cooperation.

A SAPOL hub will be established to "deliver crucial child protection and family violence services within the region."

The SA government is not hanging around waiting for some city elite to 'voice' problems that they already know exist with community safety and child abuse; with drug and alcohol problems, and domestic violence.

No racist, divisive Voice needed. Boots on the ground: not elites mincing around in cities, pretending to be aboriginal.

Economic help will be in the shape of improvements to the Ernabella Arts Centre - with which I have a family connection. Simple things like bus shelters for locals travellers to and from Adelaide and Alice Springs; street lighting.

Maybe the SA government has at last heard local voices, not the Big Men, don't-worry-about-ordinary-abos loud mouth activist voices behind Albanese's Voice, which would do absolutely nothing for the only people actually in need of a leg up.
Posted by ttbn, Sunday, 13 August 2023 11:26:06 AM
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South Australia's 47th Premier Peter Malinauskas is
the first with a non-Anglo surname so it is no surprise
that he is always questioned about his heritage.

His paternal grandmother was Hungarian. She survived WWII
and escaped the post-war communist Hungarian state when she
emigrated to Bathurst in NSW. She married
Peter Malinauskas Senior, a Lithuanian refugee and the couple
moved to Adelaide.

Malinauskas' mother's forebears were middle-class Irish.
The stories of their work, hardships, et cetera in developing
their new country are truly inspiring.

Peter Malinauskas wrote on Facebook:

" The State can offer as much opportunity to South Australians
as it did to my grandparents more than 65 years ago. But none
of that is possible until as a government we believe
that any adversity will be overcome."

" We must do more and work hard as a government to lower
unemployment and ambition has to start with belief. No one has
ever achieved great things without believing in themselves first.
My South Australian Labor team believes we can. And I believe we
can."

The current Federal Labor government also believes it can make changes
for our First Nations people. They believe that change is possible
and the gap can be closed to health, education, employment, and
other essential services and programs. That things can improve.

It is up to all Australians to decide that adversity can and will
be overcome.

Voting YES at the Referendum is so important.
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 13 August 2023 1:51:10 PM
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SO, WE PUT THE VOICE IN THE CONSTUTION AND THEY ADVISE THE GOVERNMENT _ WHAT HAPPENNS WHEN ALL THEIR DISADVANTAGE IS SOLVED - SAY IN 20 YEARS? DO WE THEN REMOVE IT FROM THE CONSTUTION?

No! the disadvantage in not the agenda, the agenda is what follows the VOICE, introduced at State and Council - the reinstatement of control of lands, forests, waterways, and beaches to the descendants of tribes that we are told had these stolen from them by the British and the Westminster Governments, culture, and laws. As Foxy tries to imply it is the British who raped the Planet and destroyed opportunities for aboriginals to practice their ancient culture.

However, it was the British settlements that gave them food when they were starving during droughts, and clothing when they were cold, the British that took in unwanted infants and educated them otherwise they were disposed of by their mothers. Over 65,000 years they had to dispose of most of their children because the Australian native food species could not support a population greater than 1,300,000. It was the British industrial revolution that began the advance in agriculture and was the reason for population growth and the improvements in life expectancy and health. I do not know of any aboriginal who wants to go back to pre 1788 and face the witch doctor and the superstitions of that history. Even our government believes they need to live as we in a Modern world otherwise they would not have a minister for aboriginal affairs, though inept in her current role to deal with disadvantage.

What you see in third world today during food shortages reflects on what was happening in Australia before 1788, death of infants was commonplace.
Posted by Josephus, Sunday, 13 August 2023 3:32:04 PM
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