In a warning to all the people of the planet, United Nations secretary-general Antonio Guterres has told the world that this month, July 2023, will be according to science, the hottest month ever recorded on a world scale. Guterres warns; "The era of global warming has ended, and global boiling has arrived". The world should be shocked, Australians should be shocked, that the disasters of fire and flood which are becoming more frequent, and more severe, are happening at a faster pace than previously anticipated. Is it too late for this wake up call, have we already past the point of no return? I am optimistic that action will taken by those of goodwill, and at an accelerated rate than presently, all in a concerted effort to arrest the climatic affects of man made CO2 being released into the atmosphere.

"The global mean temperature for July is normally about 16C, but this month it has surged to about 17C. The UN World Meteorological Organisation (WMO) and European Union's Copernicus Climate Change Service said in a joint statement, it was "extremely likely" July 2023 would break the (world) record as the hottest month ever recorded." Shocking, but true!

Yes, we need to keep on having mass travel, gasoline spewing Sport, Air conditioning, Defence Force exercises, tearing up the ozone layers with rockets etc etc.
And speed up breeding useless consumers.

Dear Paul,

There was a Media Release on 4th August 2022 from the
PM's office which stated:

"The Albanese Government's Climate Change Bill 2022 has
passed the House of Representatives today."

We're told that - "The Bill will enshrine into law an
emissions target of 43% from 2005 levels by 2030 and
net zero emissions by 2050. It has brought together -
business, industry, unions, farmers, community and
conservation groups, all of whom have asked to put
Australia on the path of net zero emissions."

"Passing this Bill in the House of Representatives only
75 days after the election is an important step
towards implementing the Albanese Government's
"Power Australia" plan to create jobs,
and put downward pressure on power bills
and reduce emissions by boosting renewable energy."

Whether the Government succeeds or not is yet to be seen -
however - this is surely a step in the right direction?

There's more at:

http://pm.gov.au/media/albanese-government-passes-climate-change-bill-house-representatives

Dear Paul,

I'll repeat a quote I used on another discussion.
I think it's appropriate here as well:

"If you really think that the environment is less
important than the economy,
try holding your breath while you count your money."
(Guy McPherson).

How can you tell the great Covid hoax is over?

They start the great boiling hoax. And the same people will fall for it.

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary."

H. L. Mencken

I'm starting to think that some people, like Paul, actually believe this garbage. Bet he believes CO2 is making fish left handed, as some ratbag academic claimed last year.

God help us.

Any changes or new innovations are usually looked
upon as a threat to the status quo.

And very often scare tactics are used to try to stop
action.

We've all heard the arguments from the climate deniers.
The fossil-fuel narratives - that fossil fuels have
provided wealth and a higher quality of life and that
banning fossil fuels will only drive "humanity
back to medieval times."

All this polarizes the public and then that makes it harder
to get consensus and progress.

We should not be supporting any effort to postpone or
halt ambitious climate action and protect business as
usual. Ethics should over-ride short term economics.

I see Paul has claimed the Earth is the hottest it has ever been recorded, yes in 100 years. It has risen 1.5 degrees, and the temperature is still climbing out of a recent ice age.
http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=earth+temperatures+over+1000+years&qpvt=Earth+temperatures+over+1000+years&form=IGRE&first=1

"And very often scare tactics are used to try to stop
action."

Or in this case, scare tactics are used to try to enforce action.

Dear Paul,

"Observations from both satellites and the earth's surface
are indisputable. The planet has warmed rapidly
over the past 44 years. In recent days the earth has
reached its highest average temperature in recorded history.
Scientists claim it may well be warmer than at any time in
the last 125,000 years."

http://washingtonpost.com/weather/2023/07/08/earth-hottest-years-thousands-climate/

mhaze,

Nah. Scientists use facts not scare tactics like
the status quo and fossil fuel industries.
As the staff at CSIRO can confirm. I know, I was
one of them.

Foxy, you're confusing scientist with activists.

"Scientists claim it may well be warmer than at any time in
the last 125,000 years."

I wonder what the temperature was on 30 July 12023BC?

So if I show you scientists who have found that the temperature was warmer than now for 25% of the past 12000, would that mean there was no consensus. Or are those scientists just going to be labelled deniers.

"Observations from both satellites and the earth's surface are indisputable."

Indisputable but no beyond misrepresentation. Satellite data shows that temperatures have exceed current temperatures quite often since 1979.

Dear mhaze,

Very few can argue with your logic.

Or would want to.

And I had such high hopes.

I'll give it a miss in future.

mhaze on another thread was quick to claim Aboriginal people were clubbing each other to death in massive inter tribal wars on 30 July 12023BC, but when evidence is presented that doesn't fit his far right extreme narrative he yells "CONSPIRACY"!

Dear Paul,

The renewable technologies we get excited about, the
carbon-neutral lifestyles we aim for are the
inventions of humans, and their success depends on
an understanding of them and a way to implement them.
Only education will provide the necessary means. It's in
our hands.

New ideas, instead of being welcome for the opportunities they
open up for the improvement of the human lot are seen as threats
by those who are comfortable in their ideologies and when
ignorance and vested interests are confronted by scientific facts
we know who's going to win.

Dear Hasbeen,

I have asked you numerous times over the years what temperature the globe would have to get to for you to concede we have a warming planet. You have always refused to answer.

It seems it will 'always be over the next hill' or 'around the next bend'.

I suspect these record temperatures will all be sent through to the keeper as will the next set and the set after that.

Deep, deep denialism.

I am surprised at you Paul, I thought you had more sense.
Antonio Guterres is a foolish man ! (that better censor ?)
30 years ago he was campaigning that we were heading for an ice age !
At the very time he was panicking about heat there have been heavy
snowfalls on some Alpine peaks.
Most of the temperatures in Europe would have gone unremarked here.
We might say, its b%^&*y hot today, I'll leave this to tomorrow !
As far as fires go, well we have been down that track and I will bet
it was too much underbrush and arson in many cases.

I did not think you were so religious Paul.

Oh god, & SR chimes in as if he actually believes the garbage.

Come on mate, I know you have to toe the lefty hymn book line, but you don't have to pretend to believe it.

In regards to the CSIRO and The Washington Post- I trust neither as I suspect they have become corrupted as are Australian Universities. The Washington Post is owned by Jeff Bezos as I understand and was complicit in the Ukrainian Euromaiden coup.

The CSIRO seems to have become very woke and detached from the local Australian people that it was originally constructed for- just like the universities. It was once perhaps a great organisation.

Bezza,

I wouldn't know what Antonio Guterres was campaigning for 30 years ago, you seem to think you do, all good and well. As for being a "fool" I doubt that, the man is head of the UN, but then those of the hard right believe the UN is some Commie plot, hell bent on destroying the good matured Capitalism of the West, I'm not so sure about that either. Yes lets apply the good old tried and tested, nothing to see here nonsense, when we don't don't want to believe what before our eyes. Those fires, nothing more than a stray box of matches, and as for floods, a burst water pipe somewhere. Now who is the fool?

"mhaze on another thread was quick to claim Aboriginal people were clubbing each other to death in massive inter tribal wars on 30 July 12023BC, but when evidence is presented that doesn't fit his far right extreme narrative he yells "CONSPIRACY"!"

Neither of those things are true.

You can always tell when Paul realises he's out of his depth...he releases the inner 5 yr old.

As to "massive inter tribal wars" Paul himself offered proof of that when he showed us the reports from Moreton Bay.

Talking about the CSIRO:

In case we dismiss intervention in science as a thing
of the past we need to be aware that on issues which
require solutions that are likely to harm vested
economic and political interests censorship very much
exists today.

For example, in Australia in 2006, leading climatologists
with the country's pre-eminent public research organisation,
CSIRO were forbidden by the organisation's management from
publicly discussing the implications of climate change.

Management was acting on behalf of government. And Australia
is one of the standout countries in terms of human development
status. It is not corrupt, its science is world class.

None of this matters. In 2006, the Australian Government's
position was to cast doubt on global warming and refuse to
enter into UN agreements such as the Kyoto Protocol.

With the release of the Stern Report on climate change the
Australian Government's position had changed - yet the
PM remained half-hearted about a commitment to counter
global warming. Little has changed for some people when
ignorance and vested interests are confronted by scientific
facts.

New ideas, instead of being welcomed for the opportunities
they open up for the improvement of the human lot
are considered as threats by those who are comfortable in
their ideologies.

"In regards to the CSIRO and The Washington Post- I trust neither as I suspect they have become corrupted...."

Yep, not just them but large parts of the media and the science fraternity. The Washington Post has been shown to have acted without the slightest regard for the truth in issues like Covid, the so-called vaccines, the Steele dossier and the Kavanaugh witch-hunt.

The CSIRO was of course outed as regards temperature manipulation through the Rutherglen database debacle.

We now know that the science community outright lied about the vaccines, the original of the WuFlu and the effects of lockdowns.

Now we have the famed science magazine Lancet outed for fudging data to try to hide the fact that warmer temperatures result in less deaths than cold temperatures. This has been known for decades but still the climate fraternity try to portray the opposite in deference to the climate gods.

http://co2coalition.org/2023/07/26/the-lancets-graphical-deception-too-common/

The Washington Post ranks in the top five news
brands.

Many will remember its coverage of the Watergate
scandals in the 1970s led by reporter Carl Bernstein
and Bob Woodward.

And of course its recent coverages of the Trump fiascos.

As for CSIRO?

Public good research has been the absolute foundation of
what the CSIRO has been doing over its long history.
Of course it needs money to continue its work and to attract
top scientists and students. Unfortunately, certain governments
in the past with their severe cuts to funding, especially on
climate-based research CSIRO's reputation as being world class
is beginning to suffer.

Hopefully, this will be rectified by new governments and will once
again be able to attract top scientists and students.
Cuts to climate research - then what else follows?

So sad really.

Thanks mhaze.

The Washington Post wasn't owned by Jeff Bezos in the 70's.
At least Foxy acknowledges that the CSIRO isn't the organisation it was. Potentially the CSIRO could outsource some of it's activities to universities- if the well hadn't been poisoned- but the main reason I doubt it is that it doesn't seem to deliver what it promises to an appropriate level of quality

Labor's target seems to be to double power prices every couple of years and this is just about the only target they are meeting.

I must agree with mhaze and CM, all scientists are commie ratbags hell bent on destroys civilisation as we know it. Its all one giant conspiracy to undermine the free world..... particularly America. Right fellas? BTW what does CSIRO stand for, Communist Science Institution of Ratbag Organisations.

then what else follows?
Foxy,
Ah, Experts ! Like those tourists in Greece complaining about Climate Change yet they themselves are still flying around the Planet in emission-spewing planes & wallowing in electricity-guzzling air conditioned hotel rooms as if nothing was happening !

If Paul1405 had spend less time "past the joint" then he might have been able to "pass the point".

CSIRO is a Government Corporate entity with a Board
that sets the strategic direction of the
organization, and an Executive team led by the
Chief Executive that leads, directs, co-ordinates and
controls its operations.

We now have a new Government and Minister who will lay
out a direction that matters. Under the Coalition
Government CSIRO suffered record funding cuts and job cuts
leading to the loss of one in five positions.

CM,

I see you are still prattling on about those Communists. That reds under the beds fear of yours. BTW, your man Trump seems to be in the deep sh!t.