Hey SteeleRedux,

Yes, well that's curious and interesting...
Firstly you haven't been telling me to put a sock in it consistently...
- But even if you did, I probably take is like
'Aw gawd [rolls eyes] Armchair Critic just goes on and on and on, like a bloody violin'
- And I'd be like 'Oh yeah, fair enough', or 'Too bad, so sad' depending on my mood.

Foxy comes off snippy and snarky, like it's the attitude and intent behind it;
- Like she actually thinks it's her duty to correct bad behavior and willfully silence those who don't fall in line with the way in which she sees things.

>>I was taught to believe that "You are not entitled to
your opinion. You are entitled to your INFORMED
opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant."<<

- That attitude.

And it comes off in this 'uppity' 'holier than thou' way, and I guess it kind of gets my back up, especially when she bangs on about having an 'informed opinion', when the truth is she is very selective in her facts.
- She never seems to ever acknowledge or see things from the perspective of those she's trying to correct.
- Never acknowledges the arguments from the other side.

I guess that's the best explanation I can give.

Dear Steele,

Ad Hominem - this fallacy occurs when instead of addressing
someone's argument or position people irrelevantly attack the
person or some aspect of the person who's making the argument.
These attacks can also be directed to membership in a group or
institution.

"We can't approve of this Voice to Parliament stuff.
It was thought up by a bunch of elites, communist weirdos,
who want to take over this country!"

The Conversation / By Michelle Grattan
Posted Fri 4 Aug 2023 at 2:39am
"The Albanese government is at risk of letting down the Voice's "yes" case by its tactics of excessive caution and control in the referendum debate.

Inside and outside parliament this week, its performance was, for the most part, woeful. The government's persuasive power in the fight for the Voice is not as effective as it needs to be. Minister for Indigenous Australians Linda Burney struggles constantly.

The Coalition this week focused its attack on the issue of treaty – the part of the Uluru Statement from the Heart calling for "a Makarrata Commission to supervise a process of agreement-making between governments and First Nations and truth-telling about our history".

The government has already provided $5.8 million for a Makarrata Commission — yet to be set up — of which some $900,000 has been spent. When Treasurer Jim Chalmers was asked about the money spent, he provided no details.

In successive questions, Burney was asked about the commission and what it will do. She refused to engage, just repeating her spiel about the Voice (although she did say "progress on Makarrata will not occur until after the referendum").

But when a minister is in trouble, they have nowhere to hide. Burney, unconvincingly trying to stick to the narrowest of scripts, was caught in the headlights the Opposition was shining on the issue of treaty.

Meanwhile Albanese was all over the place when quizzed on treaty during an ABC interview on Wednesday. After he pointed out there was treaty-making under way at state level, he was pressed on whether he was still committed to the Commonwealth negotiating treaties.

The expectation is there would be a treaty, or an overarching structure, at the national level, under which state and other treaties would sit.

Albanese in his comments was trying to erect a solid fence around the Voice debate.

Fact check: Indigenous support for the Voice
Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has claimed surveys show Indigenous Australians support the Voice at a rate between 80 and 90 per cent. Is that correct?

RMIT ABC Fact Check investigates.
VERDICT: "Yes, but more to it"
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The government fears letting the debate widen to any discussion of treaty will frighten voters, setting back the referendum's chances.

That might be true. But not addressing the issue head-on can potentially be equally or more damaging. It can make the government appear paralysed, as it seemed for much of this week, and leave voters wondering what's being concealed.

Albanese has always said Labor supports the Uluru statement in full. Indeed, the just-released Draft Platform for the party's national conference this month declares Labor supports "all elements" of the Statement, including the Voice, a Makarrata Commission for agreement-making and a truth-telling process.

It adds "Labor will take steps to implement all three elements … in this term of government."

Trying to dodge the treaty issue will continue to have Labor spokespeople tied in knots. And given what's happening at state level, it shouldn't be impossible to take some of the heat out of it."

Foxy and steelreflux,

Fortunately, the voice seems to be going the way of the dodo. Australia's BS detector has gone off and picked up Albozo's lies.

The question is whether Albozo will get the Gillard knife in the back when this turns to sh1te.

Dear Shadow Minister,

Too early to predict things just yet.

Lets wait until after the Referendum.

In the meantime - be careful in your comments -
anyone Using ad hominem attacks - with no real
solutions of their own, could be interpreted
as a fool's attempted reach for
superiority. (smile).