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Posted by Josephus, Wednesday, 12 July 2023 1:43:35 PM
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Foxy,
that link confirms what's wrong with the the industry ! Morally & technically the Voce is lacking the integrity & vision needed to do what they're trying to make us believe but not what they really have planned ! Posted by Indyvidual, Wednesday, 12 July 2023 5:10:07 PM
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Dear Individual,
I have no control over what you and others, choose to believe. The facts have been presented so many times in this discussion. You have a choice - history is calling. I see no further point in arguing. No matter what the result will be nothing productive will be achieved by arguing with people who continue to regurgitate lies and misinformation. The world will judge us. The measure of our society and history is our fidelity to our principles. We must remind our government and our people to remain faithful to those principles or otherwise our society, like so many in the past, will be swept on the ash heap of history. Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 13 July 2023 9:16:20 AM
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Great to see Foxy has admitted her defeat with her intrenched opinion - "nothing productive will be achieved by arguing with people who continue to regurgitate lies and misinformation".
Posted by Josephus, Thursday, 13 July 2023 9:37:59 AM
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"We encourage ALL Australians to read reliable research
to make sure we're well informed about what the Voice is, and what it is not. Don't get sucked in by myths like the 10 we've debunked..." "The Voice is nothing to be scared of. On the contrary we should be proud of. Amending our constitution to give First Nations people a Voice to Parliament would demonstrate we're a mature nation, one that's ready to recognise the past injustices and committed to building a better future in which the rights and dignity of ALL Australians are protected equally." There's more at: http://lens.monash.edu/@politics-society/2023/02/27/1385518/voice-to-parliament-debunking-10-myths-and-misconcenptions Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 13 July 2023 10:34:03 AM
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Voting YES to the Voice will save lives.
Voting no will invalidate them! http://theguardian.com/australia-news/commentisfree/2023/mar/23/australia-indigenous-voice-to-parliament-referendum-vote-yes-will-save-lives-no-will-invalidate-them Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 13 July 2023 11:37:43 AM
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ANU’s Professor Wood said that while public servants were "meant to give free and fearless advice", they were not, in a broad sense, "responsible for the decisions they make, because it's the minister, at the end of the day, who makes the final decision".
This means the Voice will have more voice power over executive Government decisions than the NIAA currently and have self-determination independent of Government. It gives them powers to administer aboriginal policy independent of the Government. Aboriginal affairs should be taken out of representative Government, which means the NIAA would morph into the Voice.
No other section of the community has this powerful Voice directly to executive Government. It will be overtaken by radicals and those in the future influencing aboriginal opinion - like Mayor and Reid. They already have a vision for the Voice.
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