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The thin Red Line

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Zelenskyy: If Ukraine loses, U.S. must choose between the collapse of NATO or going to war
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2023/06/16/zelenskyy-news-nato-russia-war-ukraine/70328925007/

- Brought to you by the Uniparty and warmongering neoconservatives with their 'liberal' interventions.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Saturday, 17 June 2023 10:17:05 AM
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Hi AC,

The problem I am seeing for Russia is that they have to use their reserves to reinforce against Ukrainian assaults along with artillery support. The Ukrainians are targeting the artillery and mobile reserves, probably because they see the elimination of heavy equipment and soldiers in transit as the key to defeating the Russian army.

If the Ukrainians are taking ten times the casualties of the Russians as Putin claims (revised from his claim of three times a few days ago) I think that the counteroffensive would not last another fortnight. The initial battle plan of Gerasimov and Shoigu estimated that Ukraine would be captured in a fortnight. So much for that plan!
Posted by Fester, Saturday, 17 June 2023 4:42:47 PM
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Fester,

Every time the Russians concentrate forces they are hit with artillery/Himars/drones. Each time the Ukrainians move forward they are covered by accurate artillery and drones. The moment the Russians try and bring forward tanks they are destroyed. Yesterday two Russian helicopters were shot down.

Russia is now critically short of tanks and Ukraine now has more tanks and matches the artillery of the Russians. Russia is losing more men and equipment than it can replace and is losing the war.
Posted by shadowminister, Sunday, 18 June 2023 1:27:17 PM
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Just about everything you say SM is a complete opposite of what's actually happening.

Ukraine got smashed in Pyatikhatki with thermobaric warheads today.

http://twitter.com/squatsons/status/1670253485957484544
"106 TOS-1A rockets were fired at the recently captured farming settlement of Pyatikhatki where a large accumulation of AFU had reportedly been brought up. I cant imagine much of anything is left in the village."

Several hundred conscripts with only a few months NATO training, many many Leopards and Bradleys destroyed, people are saying it was an absolute massacre.

Not to mention Budanov and Zaluzhnyi both gone,
Budanov died in the Bundeswehr Hospital, and Zuluzhnyi may or may not be gone but he's ceratinly out of action, I think their two recent strange videos were fakes.
And not to mention Russia hit another decision making centre yesterday.

There was however, a big Russian ammo depot in Rykove that went up though.

Listen to what this guy says...
http://www.youtube.com/live/yTXnGeoyZgs?feature=share

GoTo 13:20
"the line isn't moving at all the ukrainians want to be advancing into the artillery positions not fighting the artillery positions"

http://www.rt.com/russia/578169-putin-spief-speech-highlights/
Ukrainian counteroffensive yielding heavy losses – and no gains

Russia’s president provided an update on the ongoing long-heralded Ukrainian counteroffensive, which began tentatively in early June. To date, Kiev’s forces have lost some 186 tanks and 418 armored vehicles of other types, according to Putin.

“Their losses are very heavy – about more than one in ten compared to the Russian army. That is a fact. In terms of hardware, the loss of this equipment is growing every day,” he said, adding that Kiev has thus far failed to achieve its goals, wasting its strategic reserves in the push against Russia’s forces.

That's half the western supplied equipment already gone, and that's before what happened in Pyatikhatki

http://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1670246249826484227
http://twitter.com/GeromanAT/status/1670341450960195584
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 18 June 2023 6:13:30 PM
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The western military trainers know these Ukrainians don't have the training for combined arms warfare, as well as the US and Ukrainian government know they are sending these conscripts to die.
It's outright murder by the west and Ukrainian government, to get Putin, they don't want to lose face, and will only continue to try to escalate the war, in vain.
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 18 June 2023 6:20:56 PM
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Truth comes out about the peace negotiations in Turkey in March last year followed by the withdraw of Russian troops from Kiev.

http://www.youtube.com/live/-PoHJ43ZjiA?feature=share&t=961

- Watch 3 minutes of that charter boat.
If I recall correctly one of the Ukrainians negotiators was killed soon after (by Ukraine)

Oh and some say 1000 Ukrainian troops were lost in Pyatikhatki
Total destruction apparently, some say they don't have words for what's happened there, absolute massacre of the Ukrainian Armed Forces.

1,000+ Ukrainian Soldiers LOST In Single Day, Putin LEAKS Draft Treaty
http://www.youtube.com/live/-PoHJ43ZjiA?feature=share

RACQ Charter Boat Ad
http://youtu.be/UadHCpSjyew
Posted by Armchair Critic, Sunday, 18 June 2023 7:17:55 PM
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