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Cardinal Pell dies in Rome - Age 81.
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Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 11:28:30 AM
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Dear Nathan,
There are pedophiles and rapists who cannot control their sexual urges and there are others who cannot control their desires for revenge and who enjoy and get excited by seeing others suffer under the pretext of "justice", including others they do not even know. The latter are no better than the former. It would be useless, though, to try and argue with them here because they just cannot control their urges. Rest assured that justice is being carried with or without human courts, that the world is and always been well taken care of and nobody can ever get any less or any more than what they deserve. Whatever happens to you, pleasant or unpleasant, thank the almighty for doing you justice and bringing closure to your previous acts, meritorious or otherwise. Rest assured that nobody suffers, including sexually, unless they deserve so for doing something similar in their past, be it earlier in their life or in previous lives. The best recourse for a "victim" is to introspect and try to find what it is which they have done to deserve it. Once they do they find lasting consolation and peace, but revenge only gets them into a new cycle of violence for which they will suffer again in future. Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 1:19:29 PM
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"Rest assured that nobody suffers, including sexually, unless they deserve so for doing something similar in their past, be it earlier in their life or in previous lives."
Yuyutsu, that is an outrages statement that shifts guilt from the perpetrator to the victim. When the bastard Ridsdale was sodomising children, he was merely the "handmaiden of the Lord", doing God's work. That's what you are saying, total crap! Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 3:31:12 PM
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Dear Paul,
I did not expect you to understand, which is why my post was addressed to NathanJ, not to you. Posted by Yuyutsu, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 4:33:22 PM
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For anyone really seeking genuine understanding the following
link should shine a light on the issues: http://home.crin.org/issues/sexual-violence/australia-case-study-clergy-abuse# Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 4:36:12 PM
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Dear Yuyutsu,
This is a public forum, and you can expect replies from all quarters including me. When I agree with your posts, I say so, that statement however is appalling, and you may get those that agree with you, but certainly not me. This is also appalling; "The best recourse for a "victim" is to introspect and try to find what it is which they have done to deserve it. Once they do they find lasting consolation and peace, but revenge only gets them into a new cycle of violence for which they will suffer again in future." I note how you place quotation marks around the word victim, indicating you don't believe they are actually victims at all, but are in some perverse way instigators not victims. Are you saying children sexual abused by the likes of Ridsdale (and I only use that bastard as one example) were the instigators of the crime and Ridsdale was only a facilitator of the punishment from an unseen God! Absolute crap! I've picked up on what you are saying, but I don't know what others think of your perverted thoughts. BTW; Have you heard of justice, not revenge, and punishment for the perpetrator, and solace for the victim, it seems not. Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 5:03:00 PM
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The Law Council summed it up nicely:
"In criminal trials, the prosecution bears the burden of proof and must prove every element of their case to the jury beyond a reasonable doubt. While the High Court proceeded on the basis that the jury had found the complainant to be a credible and reliable witness and did not need to make an adverse or different finding about the complainant's credibility, the decisive issue in the appeal was the existence and treatment of other evidence that was inconsistent with the complainant’s account of the incidents, and which was largely unchallenged by the Crown at trial."
"The onus was on the prosecution to negate the possibility that the complainant’s account was not correct beyond reasonable doubt, which it could not do in the face of the other evidence. In other words, although the testimony of the complainant was capable of being considered truthful and reliable when taken by itself, there was other contradictory evidence before the court that was unchallenged by the Crown and which therefore also had to be considered truthful and reliable. When considered together, a reasonable doubt must have arisen as to which account was correct."
http://www.lawcouncil.asn.au/media/media-releases/comments-on-the-high-court-judgment-pell-v-the-queen
So rather than a strict dichotomy between law and justice something can be just and unjust at the same time.