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Cardinal Pell dies in Rome - Age 81.
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Posted by Paul1405, Tuesday, 17 January 2023 4:39:23 PM
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Foxy,
Let's look at this matter though from a different perspective in terms of the High Court. Let's say both yourself and myself are in the village square about to be hung to death after a state-based court ruling and facing the court of public opinion, all in the negative. We both dispute the claims made by others about certain actions of ours. For yourself though the State legal system rules, and you will take nothing else into consideration. I'm screaming out for you to change your mind, but you won't do anything, we are hung, and both die. Let's say though just before we are hung, someone comes along and screams out, "these people have been treated unfairly! I want their case referred to the High Court and I will pay all of their legal costs!" What are you going to do.... refuse? As one of the people here wrongly accused, facing death I would hope that not to be the case. I would need all the support possible to be taken down and the rope removed. Posted by NathanJ, Tuesday, 17 January 2023 7:29:19 PM
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A long but very sobering read.
http://theaimn.com/george-pell-devil-incarnate-is-dead/ One can only hope the bastard's death brings some comfort to the thousands of victims of the church. Posted by SteeleRedux, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 1:36:22 AM
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The Law is Not Justice ! . The role of the High Court of Australia is defined on its website as follows : « The functions of the High Court are to interpret and apply the law of Australia; to decide cases of special federal significance including challenges to the constitutional validity of laws and to hear appeals, by special leave, from Federal, State and Territory courts » There is no mention of justice in that definition. The fact is, the High Court simply “interprets and applies the law”. But law and justice are not the same things. What is the difference ? Put simply, law means rules and regulations – justice means fairness, equitableness, and moral rightness. Rules and regulations may or may not be just. Strict application of the rules and regulations could, and in some rare cases, does, produce totally unjust outcomes. Law is a concrete concept (written). Justice is a more abstract concept (unwritten). In condemning Pell, each of the 12 members of the jury did so on the basis of his or her intimate conviction that Pell was guilty “beyond reasonable doubt” of the sex crimes of which he was accused. In doing so, they understood that their duty was to pronounce a decision of justice based on the elements of the case presented during the court hearings. Historically, it seems that today's juries have 12 people because the Welsh king Morgan of Gla-Morgan, who established jury trials in 725 A.D., decided upon the number, linking the judge and jury to Jesus and his Twelve Apostles. Juries are composed randomly of people from all walks of life. Their sole task is to come up with a verdict in accordance with the law as explained to them by the judge right throughout the trial and in a summing up before the jury commences its deliberations. . (Continued …) . Posted by Banjo Paterson, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 4:00:09 AM
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(Continued …) . In Pell’s case, the High Court ruled that the jury verdict did not conform with the law. It deemed that, based on the evidence, or lack thereof, the jury should have had a “reasonable doubt”. As for the members of the jury, conscious of the important responsibility imparted to them, they no doubt judged as any neophyte in such matters would based not only on the evidence presented to them but also on their own personal experience as human beings with their natural intuition and plain common sense. The jury rendered justice. The High Court proclaimed the law. The High Court's decision prevailed. The judgment of the High Court is final and conclusive. . Posted by Banjo Paterson, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 4:12:49 AM
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Thanks Steele for the article, during life Pell had the power and influence to shield himself from the truth, hopefully in death and without that protection, the truth about the real Pell will someday be told in full.
Posted by Paul1405, Wednesday, 18 January 2023 5:52:50 AM
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SM likes to quote the Murdoch Gutter Press, her's something for him;
"Billy McMahon has long been regarded as a pathetic politician, endlessly scheming and riven with paranoia, and an incompetent prime minister who was out of his depth and became a figure of ridicule as he led the long Coalition government at its fag end and to defeat in December 1972.To be compared to McMahon is the ultimate political insult. He is probably Australia’s worst prime minister, an embarrassment to the Liberal Party with few redeeming qualities and with a negligible legacy after a miserable 21 months in the top job."
'The Australian' 2018.