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Cardinal Pell dies in Rome - Age 81.

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What can I say when a mistake is made
Instead of Dear Pell I should have prayed
For all the children that have been abused
And for which the church remains unmoved

By all means lets pray for Pell
His death is cause to ring those bells
But let's not forget the many misused
Whose truths by the church have been refused.
Posted by Foxy, Thursday, 19 January 2023 12:49:43 PM
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Pauliar,

It was only after Tony Abbott requested that an RC into child abuse be formed that Juliar decided to move on the issue.
Posted by shadowminister, Thursday, 19 January 2023 3:36:13 PM
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And aren't we glad that she did!
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 20 January 2023 6:28:38 AM
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Shonky,

Is that another lie like the Mad Monks lie that he didn't have a secret meeting with Pell.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liplU86amFI

Abbott the great lier!
Posted by Paul1405, Friday, 20 January 2023 8:13:47 AM
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Dear Paul,

Tony Abbott referred to Cardinal Pell as his "mentor."
And he visited Pell in prison.

John Howard wrote Pell a character reference which was
published in full in The Herald Sun.

I expect both men will attend the Cardinal's Reqium Mass
at St Mary's Cathedral in Sydney on 2nd February.

Talking about Cardinal?

My husband have attended many fund-raising events held at
"Raheen" the old home of Cardinal Mannix in the Melbourne
suburb of Kew. Now owned by the Pratt family.

I remember one evening being shown the room in which
Cardinal Mannix died. It certainly had "atmosphere."
It was icy cold for starters - and I couldn't wait to leave
it. I was told that even family pets - like cats would not
go into that room. And would end up hissing and screaming.
Weird - right?

I never went into that room again. But it did make me think
about karma.
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 20 January 2023 8:58:33 AM
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The core values of justice are :

1. Fairness

2. Equality before the law

[All are equal before the law and are entitled without any discrimination to equal protection of the law (Article 7 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights]
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The presumption of innocence is contrary to those two core values. It provides a major advantage to the accused right from the outset.

An equivalent advantage for the accuser would be the presumption that his accusation is true, i.e., that the accused is guilty.

Obviously, that does not make sense.

To place the litigants on an equal footing, there should be no prior assumptions of any sort for either the accused or the accuser.

This would be a more judicious and effective basis for judging sex crimes which, for obvious reasons, invariably lack a number of indispensable elements such as :

• Material evidence

• Proof of non-consent

• Testimony of a credible eyewitness

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Posted by Banjo Paterson, Friday, 20 January 2023 9:44:53 AM
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