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Copenhagen: things fall apart and an uncertain future looms : Comments

By Bill McKibben, published 24/12/2009

The Copenhagen summit turned out to be little more than a charade.

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The first sentence is correct "Itís possible that human beings will simply never be able to figure out how to bring global warming under control" I do realise my context is different to the authors, but on face value ....

After that you realise this poor person is delusional, like many others, in thinking reducing the level of one gas is going to affect the climate, to the exact point required. Or that COP15 was about science, it was always about money, e.g. G77.

Whether man is contributing to a warmer climate or not aside, it seems somewhat couragous to believe man can control the climate.

Climate is clearly extremely complex, much more so than the scientists who inhabit that space will admit, indeed they would have you think they can actually predict what is going to happen.

When the climate disagrees with their predictions, they then doctor the data so it agrees, regardless of reality. The lure of fame and fortune is clearly large in academia.

To expect results from the UN is further evidence of a lack of reality. Blaming China fits the mold though, it has to be someone's fault, someone else. I expect there will be burning of effigies now, or is that only reserved for conservative Presidents? Believers shuold all go to China and DEMAND that they comply, that should be fun.

Mind you I guess as a skeptic I have to be pleased that someone else has the blame for the lack of "success" of COP15. I see it as success that they got no result, so even if the author is unhappy, many of us are ecstatic.
Posted by odo, Thursday, 24 December 2009 10:33:55 AM
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Of course, Copenhagen was always going to be a flop, with a collection of the globeís leading confidence tricksters and show ponies arguing, blaming one another, and generally making prats of themselves.

Just like this bloke, with his 350.org nonsense. Once they try to make a reputation (and money) for themselves, they can't stop; they keep on spinning the wheel, like problem gamblers, hoping that the their number will come up
Posted by Leigh, Thursday, 24 December 2009 10:44:42 AM
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It's almost a case of words failing me.
Puny little man thinks that he can control the climate?
How gullible is the human being that, after a few thousand years he presumes that he can take control of the weather.
The gullible will never learn.
Posted by phoenix94, Thursday, 24 December 2009 10:46:01 AM
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So, let's see. We have an IPCC process that is now incontrovertibly corrupted, relying almost solely on data that is, at best, dodgy, at worst invalid. This is the same IPCC which has for about 20 years point blank refused to validate the surface temperature record. We now know why.

Most significantly, the entire theory is not working: carbon dioxide emissions continue to increase, temperatures decline rather than rise, so the one thing we can not say is that global warming is driven by carbon dioxide. The Climategate email by Kevin Trenberth, head of the Climate Analysis Section at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado, acknowledged that reality contradicts the hysterics' claims about global warming:

"The fact is that we canít account for the lack of warming at the moment, and it is a travesty that we canít."

And the cost of doing what was being proposed by our own prime minister and others would be economically catastrophic. Climate economist Professor Richard Tol has estimated that the Copenhagen deal would have cost global GDP $40 trillion (US) a year by 2100.

A large chunk of that was to be handed over to murderous third world dictatorships in the pathetic belief that it would be used to help "stop climate change". Doesn't anybody remember the corruption associated with the UN's Food for Oil program?

Copenhagen went ahead despite the Climategate scandal and failed. Good. We dodged the bullet.

Yet people like McKibben still want to pontificate about global warming as though it's really happening. Who's a denier now?
Posted by KenH, Thursday, 24 December 2009 11:12:49 AM
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Another nail was placed in the AGW coffin recently when the Wikipedia 'gatekeeper' for the AGW cabal was outed: William Connolley, who has single-handedly written or edited over 4,500 articles relating to global warming, usually to minimise or exclude sceptical viewpoints:

http://tinyurl.com/yby6aqr

Is this kind of systemic bias consistent with a group that really believes 'the science is settled', and 'the data speak for themselves'?

I think Rudd is smart enough to recognise that Copenhagen was really a win; it has bought him a few more years to wait while AGW alarmism loses its grip on the public. Meanwhile he has fine scapegoats in the shape of the Chinese and the small developing nations whose bluff was called. Somehow AGW hysteria loses its appeal when it ceases to be an abstract menace and actually starts costing us money.
Posted by Jon J, Thursday, 24 December 2009 11:46:02 AM
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These words spoken 10 years ago by my favourite Spiritual "philosopher".

"There have always been insane human beings,but,in earlier times,they were not as powerful as they have become in this "late-time". It is only in this "late-time" that human beings have become capable of producing effects that can change even global weather patterns, and global ecological patterns of all kinds. ..... But now, in its motion into the twenty-first century, the insanity of humankind is influencing even the larger picture of the human natural circumstance. And THIS MUST BE CHANGED---or there is going to be a terrible, horrific calamity on Earth! Such a calamity is not yet inevitable, but it WILL occur if there is not a fundamental transformation of mankind---in its heart and mind, and in its endeavors. A FUNDAMENTAL RIGHTENING of the world-process must occur, because mankind is now having a PROFOUNDLY NEGATIVE effect on the human world-process, and even on the larger natural domain of the world."

But then again we Westerners in particular dont seem to even begin to be capable of understanding the significance of the appearance of The Avataric Divine Incarnation in our midst.

Why for instance was He born in that fateful year of 1939?
Posted by Ho Hum, Thursday, 24 December 2009 12:25:09 PM
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