I see that Herman couldn't go for a single day without spreading the hate.

How very sad.

Jon.J - "Let's have some opinions from people who don't stand to benefit financially and professionally from spreading alarm and hysteria."

Absolutely, it's been noted before that any skeptical opinion articles are attacked immediately by the usual suspects if the author is not a climate scientist - so where are they when rubbish is sprouted by AGW believers who are not climate scientists?

What a bunch of hypocrites and they wonder why skepticism is on the rise, here's a hint, the believer side of the so called debate is riddled with obvious self interest and deliberate obfuscation.

Clear all the trickery and let's see what's left, except it's so muddled and convoluted, no one would believe it now even if it was discombobulated.

The climate scientists have done this to themselves in their haste to make financial and professional benefit.

Andy1,

You're a great one for quoting "authorities".

Steffen is just another academic on the gravy train. Those global average air and ocean temperatures he talks about are the "adjusted" data from the University of East Anglia CRU and GISS in the US - the same folks who won't release the unadjusted data or explain why and how they have adjusted them. Not worth a pinch until they do that.

Steffen and his ilk have had billions to play with for at least three decades and they haven't moved one inch towards"proving" anything. Best they can do is make empty statements like those you quote from Kerry, Steffen and Schellnhuber. Note how wildly generalised they are.

By the way, do you actually know anything about this stuff, or are you just going to continue quoting the self-serving opinions of others?

The argument is over because there never was an argument, only lies. There is NO Global Warming, CO2 is NOT a factor in climate change, the seas levels are NOT rising. There is no climate calamity coming.

We now know what the lies are, who lied and how they corrupted the data. But now we also know WHY its was done.

The UN has deliberately nurtured a small (40) group corrupt climate scientists for years through selective financing of research who have gradually closed off avenues for alternative opinions, all for the UN's own devious long term goals.

There is a real possibility of a VERY serious calamity if the West signs legally binding treaties. The UN has attempted to pull off one of the biggest scams of all time and may yet succeed.

You see the Treaty, and I have read it, says the developing world is to be financed by Western developed countries forever and without end. There is no 'out' clause. This is in reparation for our supposed 'carbon debt' for which the developing countries, including China are held to be completely innocent. The Treaty also includes automatic UN ownership of all technology patents and subsequent transfer of these to the developing world.

We will have to fund the developing world forever through Carbon Debts, because as our current development progresses,we incur more and more "debt" for which we will have to pay them more and more money. You see its the perfect scam. The more we progress the more we owe them. We can never pay our debt off.

Taxes will be gradually increased to pay this debt. Look out for the Henry Report and for Rudd's new taxation system which will no doubt increase Taxes.

It has been suggested that if a country is unable to pay their debt it may be required for them to cede their lands to the UN under various Heritage or Wildlife protection funds instead thus losing sovreignty of the land as they are bound by an enforceable Legal Agreement.

We are millimetres away from the abyss.

Hermanyutic--a further quote re how Adi Da perceives everything.

"Through the bodily eyes, I can look into the room, but I am literally seeing everywhere. It is an extraordinary process beyond ordinary human comprehension.

My Consciousness is not local, not bound by "point of view". My sensitivity is a Spiritual sensitivity, and it is universalized, I am extended literally everywhere. Reality Itself is not a "point of view".

Also http://www.dabase.org/embrace.htm

He is not an ordinary religious or Spiritual Teacher but The Avataric Divine Incarnation. And as such He is Consciously alive as all beings and things. That is, quite literally everything, including all of space and time, past, present and future.

That is why he can warn us with complete certainty that unless we change our ways altogether we will destroy ourselves and all of Earthkind too. And that we are already doing so.

That is why He wrote this book. http://www.dabase.org/not2.htm

I gather your name is a play on the word hermeneutics.

That is exactly what Adi Da did. That is, beginning with his philosophy 101 class at Columbia University, he engaged the most complete and thorough examination of ALL of the philosophical and cultural propositions of Humankind that has ever been done.

Ho Hum,
It appears to be part of the human condition that searchers will be drawn to those who claim to have found.
If the resulting symbiotic relationship does not impact negatively on anyone else, what's the harm?
Apart, perhaps, from whiling away one's life in a delusional state.
Having said that, I do detect a minor stumbling block in Adi Da's Global Cooperative Order (or is that Forum?).
It "requires a profound transformation of human consciousness and human activity."
http://www.dabase.org/p2anthro.htm
Lotsa luck and I hope your Mum's not too worried about you.