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Copenhagen: things fall apart and an uncertain future looms : Comments

By Bill McKibben, published 24/12/2009

The Copenhagen summit turned out to be little more than a charade.

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<<Puny little man thinks that he can control the climate?
How gullible is the human being that, after a few thousand years he presumes that he can take control of the weather.>>

Not one "man"..... 5 billion of them.

The ignorant will never learn.
Posted by mikk, Friday, 25 December 2009 8:38:44 AM
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As stated by US Senator John Kerry

“There isn’t a nation on the planet where the evidence of the impacts of climate change isn’t mounting. Frankly, those who look for any excuse to continue challenging the science have a fundamental responsibility which they have never fulfilled: Prove us wrong or stand down. Prove that the pollution we put in the atmosphere is not having the harmful effect we know it is. Tell us where the gases go and what they do. Pony up one single, cogent, legitimate, scholarly analysis. Prove that the ocean isn’t actually rising; prove that the ice caps aren’t melting, that deserts aren’t expanding. And prove that human beings have nothing to do with any of it. And by the way — good luck!”
Posted by Andy1, Friday, 25 December 2009 11:23:54 AM
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"Kumi Naidoo, the wonderful head of Greenpeace International..." self-appointed collectors of money from the gullible on the basis of scares. Just as Chaucer's Pardoner collected money from ignorant peasants by waving around a piece of animal bone masquerading as a holy relic.

"James Hansen, the great climate scientist who started the global warming era..." and who was also a global cooling freak before that but who is now more famous for "adjusting" the GISS temperature data, without explanation and always in the direction of warming (just like the guys at the CRU East Anglia University) and for wanting anybody who disagrees with him sent to a Nuremburg-style trial and presumably executed. Nice gang, those warmers.

By judging the "wonderful" and "great", McKibben expects to be regarded himself as wonderful and great. No, buddy, you're just gushing.

As for that other political genius, John Kerry...Like you, Andy1, apparently he's never understood that you can't prove a negative. He and presumably you are making the proposition that the world is warming. The onus is on him or you to produce evidence to support that, not on others to disprove the crap.

But since you're quoting Kerry as an authority, I guess that won't be happening.

That's the odd thing about warmers, they say the evidence for warming is overwhelming, but they never actually produce any evidence. Except "adjusted" data and computer models which have never been validated against observed reality. And, of course, Mann's fatuous "hockey stick" graph. You don't have to be a climate scientist to recognise a scam.
Posted by KenH, Friday, 25 December 2009 1:07:25 PM
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According to Professor Will Steffen, Director of the the ANU Climate Change Institute and advisor of the Department of Climate Change:

1. "Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level.

2. At continental, regional and ocean basin scales, numerous long term changes in climate have been observed. These include changes in Arctic temperatures and ice, widespread changes in precipitation amounts, ocean salinity, wind patterns and aspects of extreme weather including droughts, heavy precipitation, heatwaves and the intensity of tropical cyclones.

3. Palaeoclimate information supports the interpretation that the warmth of the last half century is unusual in at least the previous 1,300 years. The last time polar regions were significantly warmer than at present for an extended period (about 125,000 years ago), reductions in polar ice volume led to 4 to 6 m of sea level rise.

4. Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid 20th century is very likely1 due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations. Discernible human influences now extend to other aspects of climate, including ocean warming, continental-average temperatures, temperature extremes and wind patterns.

5. Continued greenhouse gas emissions at or above current rates would cause further warming and induce many changes in the global climate system during the 21st century that would very likely be larger than those observed during the 20th century."

According to Professor Joachim Schellnhuber, Director of the Potsdam Institute of Climate Impacts and advisor of the German Government: “We’re simply talking about the very life support system of this planet.”
Posted by Andy1, Friday, 25 December 2009 1:36:52 PM
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Regarding the world's three great religions:

Christianity,
Islam,
Global Warming,

- I don't subscribe to any of them.

Christianity I find the least offensive because I'm not a pregnant woman seeking to dispose of her child and I'm not a homosexual seeking public endorsement of my sexual behaviour.

Islam seeks to impose a global caliphate where Islamophobes like me would be offered the opportunity to recant or be beheaded.
Being a coward, I would obviously recant but I wouldn't fancy staring into the arses of the Meccaligners in front of me at the local mosque five times a day.
I would rather stare at the arses of their womenfolk but this would be denied me.
I would have to seek solace in drink...
which small pleasure would also be denied me.
Maybe beheading would be less painful in the long run.

Global Warmists also seek to impose a global regime where their High Priests jet around the world proselytising, punishing and taxing ordinary folk who just want to enjoy themselves before they die.
I have a dream where all the global-warmists and their over-population counterparts simply remove themselves from the equation, never again to contribute to global warming or overpopulation.
Problem solved.

Many millions before them have made the utimate sacrifice based on their belief in God and country.
Here's the opportunity to do it for the entire planet!

And then the rest of us non-believers could live in peace.
Posted by HermanYutic, Friday, 25 December 2009 2:34:44 PM
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1. "Warming of the climate system is unequivocal..."

IF you believe their claims.

"2. At continental, regional and ocean basin scales, numerous long term changes in climate have been observed...including droughts, heavy precipitation, heatwaves and the intensity of tropical cyclones."

The incidence of extreme weather events has actually declined over the last ten years -- which suggests why you shouldn't believe their data.

"3. Palaeoclimate information supports the interpretation..."

So studies of 300,000 years of dodgy and approximate climate records are somehow sensitive enough to indicate when a period of 50 years is 'unusual'? Oh, come now! And speaking of the last 1,300 years, what happened in the 'unusual' Medieval Warm Period, which Michael Mann and his cohorts have done their best -- but failed -- to hide?

"4. Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid 20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations..."

Go on to Google Earth with an old atlas at your side and see for yourself how much -- or how little -- sea levels have risen in the last 50 years or so. Even if you extrapolate that out for a couple of hundred years it still doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

"5. Continued greenhouse gas emissions at or above current rates would cause further warming and induce many changes in the global climate system during the 21st century that would very likely be larger than those observed during the 20th century."

IF you believe their data. But why should you?

http://www.drroyspencer.com/2009/12/global-warming-skepticism-101/
http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/12/warmest_ever_or_getting_cooler.html

"According to Professor Joachim Schellnhuber, Director of the Potsdam Institute of Climate Impacts and advisor of the German Government: “We’re simply talking about the very life support system of this planet.”"

What proportion of the $US79 billion spent on climate change research does Prof Schellnhuber obtain in grants from various government bodies?

http://joannenova.com.au/2009/07/massive-climate-funding-exposed/

How much would he be gathering if he announced that global warming was a non-problem? Let's have some opinions from people who don't stand to benefit financially and professionally from spreading alarm and hysteria.
Posted by Jon J, Friday, 25 December 2009 2:36:04 PM
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