Herman
as i said yours are not interpretations backed by scholarship and obviously you are unable (or unwilling) to offer such interpretations. These are the terms of my discussion, and if you don't like these terms then go bang on the door of a Wahhabi.

take care and salaams

Grateful, you seem to be ignoring the point, the interpretations lived by the radicalised followers of islam are the problem.

The book of islam describes a ton of violent episodes, you can interpret it how you like, although why it needs interpreting is beyond me because its pretty well spelled out - hard to miss the message in there.

But, for what its worth, the same abject violence is throughout the bible, which also doesn't require a lot of interpretation. They both have similar messages about violence.

The god(s) in both of these books controls and educates with violence, there is no mistaking the message in either.

No wonder the violence is still going on after thousands of years, how about a religious person writing a new book that encourages all religions to get along together without violence, what a novel, safe idea.

Pericles,

The Swiss people exercised their constitutionally-guaranteed, democratic right to ban minarets because they fear the encroaching Islamisation of their country.

They are justified in their fear, because “Islam the religion of peace” is as oxymoronic as it gets (that’s like Pericles with oxy+).

This can be readily demonstrated by examining the texts and the history of Islam, something you’re obviously not prepared to do (while grateful strategically practises taqiyyah).

Criticising a religious ideology is entirely different from attacking the man, just as Mohammed’s band of cut-throats was no Dad’s Army.
Even Lance Corporal Jones could have told you that.

I fully recognise that your tactics are mere obfuscation but that’s what HermanYutics’ for.

It is fortunate indeed that more people in Europe and elsewhere are waking up to the truth.

This is revealed in recent polling on how other Europeans feel about the Swiss people’s vote on minarets,
as applied to their own countries:

France:
Le Figaro: 73% for ban on minarets in France; 27% against ban on minarets in France (sample: 49,000)
L’Express: 86% for; 12% against (24,000)

Germany:
Der Spiegel: 76% for ban on minarets in Germany; 21% against
Die Welt: 82% for; 16% against

Spain:
20 Minutos: 93% for ban on minarets in Spain; 6% against (14,000)
El Mondo: 80% for; 20% against (35,000)

The people of Europe are awakening from their slumber.
I hope it’s not too late.

grateful,

You don’t set the terms of this discussion, although it is clear that this is the ultimate goal of yourself and your fellow travellers at the OIC.

Until then,
pepperoni

Herman Yutic

The views of ex-Muslims are the most reliable source about Islam.

An Arab-American proves beyond the shadow of doubt that Islam was created by Muhammad for his idiosyncratic behavior.

“I firmly believe that the Islamic faith was created to serve Muhammad and to legitimize his desires and urges. As eveidence we have Aisha’s [six-year old bride of Muhammad] , “I see that your Lord hastens to satisfy your desires.”

Wafa Sultan explains Islam to the world in an interview in Arabic. She enlightens the non-Muslims as to why the Islamic world is backward and filled with violence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ough-e6ThWE&NR=1

“Thanks to another mental illness, namely temporal lobe epilepsy, the prophet of Islam had vivid hallucinations he interpreted as mystical and divine intimations. He also suffered from obsessive compulsive disorder, causing his fixations on numbers, rituals and stringent rules. In the addition, he suffered from acromegaly, a disease caused by excessive production of a growth hormone resulting in large bones and odd facial features. The combination of his psychological disorders and his unusual physiognomy made him a phenomenon that set him apart from ordinary people.”

Understanding Muhammad: The psychobiography of Allah’s prophet by Ali Sina
http://www.faithfreedom.org

The views of ex-Muslims are the most reliable source about Islam.

Former Muslims United Applauds Swiss referendum Victory banning Minarets-“the bayonets of Islam”
http://formermuslimsunited.americancommunityexchange.org/2009/12/01/former-muslims-united-applauds-swiss-referendum-victory-banning-minarets-%E2%80%9Cthe-bayonets-of-islam%E2%80%9D/

Nonie Darwish (Egypt) ex-Muslim speaks about the true situation in a Muslim country
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Mdz_V2bN4&feature=player_embedded

"Carl Jung, Karl Barth, Adolf Hitler, Said Amir Arjomand, Maxime Rodinson and Manfred Halpern note Islam’s similarities to fascism or nazism (the latter two terms often used synonymously)….
For example, Carl Jung, the famous Swiss psychiatrist, was asked in the late 1930s in an interview if he had any views on what was likely to be the next step in religious development. He replied, referring to the rise of Nazism in Germany, “We do not know whether Hitler is going to found a new Islam. He is already on the way; he is like Muhammad. The emotion in Germany is Islamic; warlike and Islamic. They are all drunk with wild god. That can be the historic future.”

Ibn Warraq (Pakistani)
http://formermuslimsunited.americancommunityexchange.org/2009/12/08/islam-as-totalitarianism/

Hey guys,

I just simply asked for you to cite leading scholars to support your opinions and interpretations. They don't have to be Muslim, just scholars who have a reputation for academic integrity to protect and peer review research in the area to prove they are in fact authorities.

You say Islam preaches violence and everyone is apparently aware of this "fact", but where is the scholarly evidence?

You say one just has to look at the history of Islam..that it was spread by the sword...o.k then provide the proof from real scholars who would know.

You impugn the character of the Prophet, but on what basis? Where is the scholarly research that finds the Prophet was lacking in integrity?

..cont