Personally, I’m not doubting the sincerity of your views about fatherhood, Martin and Malcolm, or arguing that seasoned contributors to this forum are better than the newcomers. However if you ask the people who’ve been contributing for a long time, they will tell you that it is most unusual for OLO authors to arrive with a following, as appears to be the case here. There are now fifteen identities who signed up to OLO in order to post to this discussion. Given the diversity of views above, it’s curious that the fifteen form a solid block of support for Marsh’s article.

The level of consistency raises a well-founded suspicion that an attempt is being made to manipulate the discussion. This is where issues of integrity come in. The individual contributors may have valid and worthy views, but the arrival en masse looks sinister.

Attempts to appear coy and innocent only serve to heighten the impression that someone is trying to stack the debate. Regardless of your personal motivation, if you’ve entered the discussion at someone else’s instigation, then you know who is behind the stacking.

In any event, stick around and contribute to further discussions. The young-father perspective is just as valuable as the old curmudgeon, the gay agitator, the bush baptist, the expat feminist, the ratbag provocateur, the brimstone dingbat and all the rest.

"watching how teen girls act now is a big contrast from what I remember. I’m not sure if it has anything to do with feminism, maybe more to do with Angelina Jolie."

I have also noticed the change in teenaged girls. When I worked in a high school last year, fights between girls must of outnumbered those involving boys by at least ten to one. I believe that the problem is a particular model of feminism that emphasises being assertive and tells girls to do whatever they want. These girls aren't great at thinking of others and working together. We should be suspicious of a model of feminism that makes the world a worse place for females.

Dear woulfe,
I think that myself and my fellow new registrants are hardly manipulating the discussion. If anything, I would say that there have been several other fairly clear agendas being promoted here and some clearly contrary to the main thrust of the article’s argument - as noted by early 30’s mum!
And on the level of integrity, I don’t see any of the other "protagonists" offering up their credentials, personal history or current socio-political allegiances as justification for being allowed to participate in what is, as far as I can tell, an OPEN forum.
And could the level of consistency not merely reflect just the passion and likemindedness of a section of society in the need for what Warwick Marsh terms “a love revolution"?
If other people were more passionate about say your point of view, they are free to register too! But the fact that they haven’t MAY just mean that they either don’t care or don’t share your concerns.
And if I take your argument a step further, a few posters espousing the same point of view are genuine, sincere and trustworthy - above all reproach and suspicion. Yet, if a small group of people register and post similar comments they are suddenly sinister!
So when does this sinister nature emerge? After 3, 4, 10 people have posted?
Let’s be real. Maybe not you but some of the posters are just trying to provoke a Christian vs Gay battle of words, and destroy Warwick Marsh’s reputation, which is not the purpose of the Forum. It is about Fatherhood and Love.
As for "coy and innocent", I believe that I am merely sticking to the topic. Perhaps if a few more of this Forum’s participants did that, we’d all be better off.

well done martin

good to see someone can speak on here with a calmness and not resort to degrading other forum users.

if only we all stuck to the topic instead of pedling your own agendas, this world would be a better place.

Eyeinthesky

‘The difference is that while i can admit these facts, the feminists can never admit facts such as more mothers commit child murder, abuse and neglect than fathers …’

That is as myopic as it is ridiculous!

Feminists have not only been admitting to all of the above for decades, they have been proactively discussing, analyzing, writing about, advocating for, raising awareness of and lobbying for more resources to help mothers at risk of harming their children.

Feminists have been acutely aware that women feature more prominently in some, but not all, child neglect and abuse statistics because they happen to spend far more time with their children. The most at risk mothers are often isolated, financially dependent, physically and emotionally exhausted by continuous caring for infants and toddlers and with little to no support.

This is overwhelmingly the reason that feminists lobby for women’s support services, decent childcare, better job prospects and financial independence for women. By reducing the general stresses on mothers, there is an inevitable flow-on effect of reducing child abuse.

The most tragic of all ironies is that the very gains made by feminism and women’s advocacy groups to relieve women of much of the childcare burden and financial dependency that puts them at risk of harming their children are being attacked and dismantled by the very same men’s rights groups who vengefully promote the ‘hidden violent women epidemic’ for their own agenda.

What a load of drivel you do talk. Much as i disagree with some of the over the top remarks formersnag makes he was certainly right in his description of you. If these oh so good feminists have been discussing and advocating for awareness of child abuse for decades why do the feminasties such as barbara bigot and her cronies on the facebook safer family law site mention only children killed by their fathers in their in memorium and not one case of a child killed by its mother, why so, if as you say feminists have been admitting that more mothers than fathers abuse and kill their children for decades, answer me that, its just more of your feminazi lies and propaganda.These people including yourself are everything that is rotten about our corrupt so called family law system. If you want ridiculous, look in a mirror. Most of the fathers involved in child murder and suicide have had their children ripped from their lives often for no good reason other than a vindictive and selfish ex.SELFISH, SELFISH, SELFISH.IS ALL YOU PEOPLE ARE. Its all about money and the rights of the mother, it's nothing about the rights of the child. If a father does the unthinkable and murders his child it's, he's a monster, or string him up, but if a mother does it its, a cry for help poor thing. PATHETIC. If the ratio of male/female suicides of 5-1 was reversed there would be a huge national outcry, because it isn't nobody cares, least of all the likes of you. The feminist groups have advocated and got millions of taxpayers dollars to combat abuse of women and their children, yet not 1 cent has been spent on the abuse of men and THEIR children [ like me and my daughter].It makes a mockery of everything you say.