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Withhold fake documentary from screening : Comments

By Kamal Fadel, published 10/7/2009

In the so-called documentary 'Stolen' truth has only a walk on part at best

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"Given that it is now public knowledge that the interviews featured in the film are misleading and often wrong on many counts...", then there is no reason why intelligent people should not see the film and make their own decisions about it.

If we banned everything on TV that was misleading we would be left with Bananas in Pyjamas and the Test Card.
Posted by Jon J, Friday, 10 July 2009 10:55:23 AM
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A big part of the media is the art of artistic liscense or more correctly 'Sophistry'.

The phrase 'Stolen Generation' was I beleive first coined as an emotive attempt to stop any real examination of the actual facts, surrounding the failed attempt to try and intregrate the children of Australias aboringal poplution into the predominate western culture.

Sophistry relies on appealing the a persons biases and prejudices and is emotive rather than factual.

The makers of this documentary will be hoping that this is also the case for their film, to make reputations and money.

There was a case exposed by Melaine Phillips where the news media published a story shown on film where a young palestine boy is seen cowering behind his father who is hiding behing a barrel. The film cuts to black and the voice over says that the boy was shot by Israelie soldiers.

Melaine Phillips exposes the story as a hoax, it was staged for the camera and the boy did not die at that time.
melainephillips.com

Film is a powerful medium, I can remeber feeling very angry towards the Jewish soldiers who it appeared murdered an innocent child. Now I feel angry about being manipulated and take in by a false story.
Posted by JamesH, Friday, 10 July 2009 11:14:22 AM
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Interesting post on the documentary here, the comments help to flesh out the dispute: http://newmatilda.com/2009/06/26/slave-story

I don't know enough about the background to be able to make a judgment, but I'm not prepared to take the documentary on face value. However I note in the by-line that "Kamal Fadel is the Polisario Representative to Australia", so clearly he wouldn't be interested in anything that cast the Polisario in a poor light.

JamesH you're welcome to read Melanie Phillips if you wish, but someone who believes that the Palestinian "cause amounts to Holocaust denial as a national project" http://www.melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=480 doesn't rate much notice in my view. Still, thanks for the off-topic rant, it was quite entertaining.
Posted by Johnj, Friday, 10 July 2009 4:24:00 PM
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Human Rights Watch followed up on the allegations of slavery and basically found them proven. Not "Gone with the Wind" style slavery, mind you, but slavery nonetheless. People are owned and inherited with the worst aspect being that owners can and do bar women slaves from marrying which in those parts of the world is about as egregious as it gets.

From that report..."Responding to questions about slavery, the Polisario has acknowledged the survival,“to a limited extent, of certain practices related to antiquated thinking” and said it was “determined to combat and eradicate them whenever they emerge and no
matter what shape they take.” We [HRW] welcome this statement and urge the Polisario to be vigilant in pursuing this objective."

The report is here - http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/wsahara1208web.pdf
Posted by mhaze, Friday, 10 July 2009 6:48:25 PM
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yeah and while were at it lets ban al gores puff piece

and the appolo moon landing that never happend

or the 911 stuff..[or the kennedy film..we know osweld didnt do it he was a patsy]...im sure star-wars is a fiction...how about the diary of anne frank..or fiddler on the roof or them jesus films...

when we starting the book..[sorry film].. burning?
there is a lot of fiction/film needs burning..out there

by the way..when does the melbourne DOCUMENTRY festival open?
..[or is a film festival?]...dont matter..lets burn all them lies anyhow...you still got your KKK uniform

hell stuff it...[lets ban all fiction films
.sounds a good idea...

but..how come were starting with the darkies..as usual

lets start with the other..puff-pieces first..
this one time ,...eh?

shame we burnt that cross..with that last mal gibson spin peace
Posted by one under god, Friday, 10 July 2009 10:20:58 PM
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Good to see that some commentators here support free speech and trust people to use their own judgement about the films that they see.

The issues raised by the Polisario's represenative in Australia, Mr Kamal Fadel, have been discussed at length in other forums and are becoming a tired old subject.

What has come out of these discussions is that there is ample evidence of slavery in North Africa, including in the Saharawi refugee camps. This is documented by the UNHCR and others, including Kevin Bale; and is consistent with what the film portrays.

The film also tells the story of how the Polisario detained the film makers and tried to confiscate the film once they were told (probably by a white Arab slave owner) that black people were being interviewed about their experiences of slavery.

The full extent of slavery in Saharawi camps is unknown and it seems the Polisario would rather the wider world didn't know about it; which could explain why Kamal's been trying so hard to suppress the film and discredit the film makers.

While Kamal's role as Polisario representative sounds credible, the entity Kamal represents has no official status in Australia i.e. Australia does not recognise the Saharawi Republic.

I've been told that the film is currently going through a further process of scrutiny as to its legal status and the veracity of the translation; following numerous allegations of fraud by Kamal and other Polisario supporters.

It will be interesting to see whether the relevant authorities accept Kamal's complaints as valid.

Whether or no, Kamal could have his work cut for some time to come, given that the film makers have been invited to screen at other film festivals here and overseas.
Posted by Wal, Monday, 13 July 2009 9:45:22 PM
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