Ninaf

Thank you for your excellent posts to Dane.

Dane I am not going to be dragged into a gender war with you. I have been around OLO far too long to be sucked into that.

Men and women are equally responsible for their behaviour. That some men would go ahead and have sex with a woman who is clearly inebriated beyond any ability to make cognitive consent is abhorrent. It indicates that there is still a power imbalance between men and women and why all who believe in equal rights for people irrespective of race or gender still have to be vigilant.

Fortunately the majority of men are on board with equal rights for all human beings. I can only hope that rape becomes unusual rather than as commonplace as it is now.

Yes well said Ninaf and Fractelle.

dane you said:

"I can't believe you wrote that! Children see sex all around them: on TV, videoclips, movies, billboards. It's everywhere. Can we then be surprised when children start experimenting with sex at a younger and younger age? "

You have either misunderstood my statement or are purposely misinterpreting it. What I said was the sexuality of a grown adult woman and the sexualisation of children (via media etal) are two completely separate issues.

Do you blame the sexuality of men on the sexualisation of our children?

A woman or a man may be foolish in making a decision that may expose them to danger but it is the person committing the crime that is criminally culpable. Rape is a crime regardless of the state of the victim.

If we condone sexting by pre-pubescent girls should we not equally accept the conduct of similarly aged boys sharing those images? Surely if the production and publication of such images is deemed legal, their consumption cannot be any less so.

Conversely, do we want our young boys legally sharing such images before they turn into big brawny footballers and emotionally ready for such groupies? Is it because we ignore their sub-teen world of educational deprivation, playground bullies and predatory sexting females, that lead inevitably to low self-esteem as illustrated by frequent displays of roid-enraged psychopathic behaviour that seem to require such controversial treatments as group sex bonding sessions?

Similarly, we don’t exactly wish to encourage our young girls to publish porn as a healthy means of increasing popularity. Even tastefully arty, dimly-lit pre-pubescent-vulnerability-erotica of the likes of Bill Hansen, does not quite convince parents of its harmlessness.

What post-feminist parents don’t recognise of course, is that it doesn’t matter what they think. They are the ones with the unequal power in these relationships - hence the source of the problem. They forget the revolution.

Bartender, gimme another one of those double standards with a twist. Long live the revolution!

ninaf:"You obviously have some massive issues with women"

LOL, the standard response to critique. why could he not simply have "massive issues" with the sense of perpetual victimisation that some women seem to cling to? You obvously have some massive issues with men...

ninaf:"your comments about feminism show what a limited understanding you have of the movement. It is not, nor has ever been about securing power over men. It's actually about eroding gender inequality"

So why, then, is so much of the rhetoric devoted to vilifying men? Why is there so much made of the responsibility of men and so little about the responsibility of women?

Why, for example, do you seem to think that a drunk man who wants sex is more responsible than the drunk woman who thinks she wants him to have it with her? Why, when she wakes up and regrets what she has done, is she absolved and he is not? Fractelle, you can have a go at that as well, if you don't feel "threatened" of course.

Why does it make any difference what sex organ the participants possess?

ninsf:"As someone who works with sexual assault victims"

At the NSW Rape Crisis Centre? I quote the Centre:"Only experienced trained professionals can respond to calls at NSW Rape Crisis Centre."

What is your qualification, Nina, other than a suspect claim of attempted rape, with no corroborating evidence?

Of course, you'd never make a false allegation, would you? Not like this "lady" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1166466/Man-cleared-rape-court-shown-phone-footage-woman-actively-taking-sex.html, or this one http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-528476/Woman-cried-rape-times-spared-jail-perverting-course-justice.html.

What is the policy of the NSWRCC regarding false allegations?

Of course, Antiseptic doesn't have massive issues with women either.

Particularly those who are raped by men.

More gallantry, I suppose.

CJMorgan:"Of course, Antiseptic doesn't have massive issues with women either"

Quite right, little fella. And to think that Pomeranians are considered too stupid to train...