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St Mary’s and St Michael’s : Comments

By Alan Austin, published 9/3/2009

Brisbane's Catholic Archbishop John Bathersby and Victoria’s Uniting Church Moderator Jason Kioa are facing similar challenges. Their responses could hardly be more different.

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Meg,

Have Christians now created an "Us and Them" method of justifying their stance? Is this Christian? I thought we were taught as youngsters that Christianity was an "inclusive" religion and that "God loves us all"?

He especially loves a sinner!

Could the rent-a-crowd (Is name calling unChristian?) be a similar crowd that Jesus attracted at his Sermon on the Mount? Matthew 5: 1-12.

Could it be that this was their first sojourn into Christianity after being shunned by the false teachings of churches for 1000's of years?

Could those amongst your alleged rent-a-crowd be the spiritually poor? Those who have mourned their faith being denied to them? They may have a great desire to do what God wants... etc.

Do harsh judgements of them inadvertantly trample on the words contained in Jesus' Sermon on the Mount? Should a professing Christian do this?

Should Christians think before they type?

To be a follower of Christ should you judge people as rent-a-crowd?

Should Christians judge their motives? (Matthew 7:1-5). Are Christians above Jesus' rules?

Are Christians following Matthew 5:9 and working for peace with your words?

Are Christians angry? Does Matthew 5:22 calm you?

Does Matthew 5:38-39 apply? Jesus was silent on homosexuality!

Meg, when you stand up and call yourself a Christian it comes with many obligations laid out simply in Jesus' teachings from your Bible.

Are you following Jesus' rules Meg or man-made rules?

Why did you go to "that" Church when you did Meg? ... Is it your usual Church or were you there for a sticky beak OR to be part of the other rent-a-crowd OR another reason?

If Christians have rushed to judgement in their humanly frail way have they inadvertently gotten in the way of "God's plan"?

Does any of the above apply to Christians in this matter or can we say hang Jesus' teachings on this one? Does the Church rules overrule Jesus' teachings?

The Bible says we are all sinners! Doesn't Matthew 7:4-5, if you claim to be Christian, apply every day?

I love reading my Bible!
Posted by Opinionated2, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 1:17:01 PM
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>> People with tendencies to homosexuality don't have to act on those tendencies, any more than other sexual perversions have to be acted on

may as well ask: meg1, do you care to define "sexual perversion"? can you say why homosexuality is a sexual perversion?

perversion or not, i'd definitely like you to address O2's post: what evidence is there that Jesus cared at all about homosexuality?
Posted by bushbasher, Wednesday, 11 March 2009 9:27:19 PM
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The obsessive dictating from agnostics and non-Catholics (including the author), to the Catholic church is laughable – fix your own backyard, why the meddling in other's?
Very simply, homosexuality is a perversion of normal sexuality - no question the act is perverse, I have no desire to encourage or condone homosexuality as normal behaviour any more than I would paedophilia or internet or other pornography or prostitution, the list goes on. It seems the more we are expected to condone, the more prevalent it has become - see a pattern here?
The less respect we have for ourselves or each other, the more perverse society has become and the more violent are the crimes against men and women of all ages, respect for life at any stage or any age is declining.
I attended St Mary's to celebrate a special occasion with a friend, hypocrisy must be your middle name since you have accused me of going as a 'sticky beak' and have to stick your beak in my business and in a church you know little or nothing about to judge...curious, isn't it? The pot and the kettle and all that. I attended because I expected to be going to a Catholic Church for a specific occasion, just a you might for a friend if you had one. I have been to many different occasions in many different places of worship...to celebrate an occasion in someone's life...not to sticky beak, you really are perverse, aren't you?
No, I wasn't impressed at St Mary's then, it was more like a cluttered, bower bird's nest...who would have known if it was a second-hand store or a back shed...a buddha here, other paraphenalia all over...not impressed now either, now that they've hit the headlines. As for the rent-a-crowd, what else would you call people who do not normally attend church there, but come along once from the gay lobby or other group for a bit of media attention and to do some church bashing? Gee, rent-a-crowd, I wonder if they got a packed lunch too?
(tbc...)
Posted by Meg1, Thursday, 12 March 2009 12:36:13 AM
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(Cont...)
I have no objection to Fr Kennedy building his own barn somewhere for his 1500 believers, or how ever many turn up next week to pay the bills, but doing so under false pretenses as a "Catholic" without the beliefs, is akin to me hijacking an agnostic's hall and expecting them to pay for me to preach about Jesus to them...get the drift?
O2 if you love reading your bible, you'd know that hypocrisy isn't a virtue. Perhaps Bushbasher would like to pick up a guide to homosexuality, to enlighten on specific details, I have no intention and no desire to graphically describe such distasteful acts in these posts. You might also like to check out a few verses of the New Testament each day...the exercise may enlighten you on many issues you appear confused on.
Posted by Meg1, Thursday, 12 March 2009 12:39:24 AM
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meg1,

1) what is "normal sexuality"? is oral sex normal or perverse?

2) what does it matter if something is "perverse"? does that make it immoral? if so, why?
Posted by bushbasher, Thursday, 12 March 2009 1:26:50 AM
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Meg, Glad to hear you weren't just "sticky beaking"!

<<fix your own backyard, why the meddling in other's>> Aren't you meddling Meg? You should look up hypocracy it's not a virtue...lol

Do you want everyone else to butt out so you can butt in? Do you understand what a democratic society with freedom of speech allows - Do you need re-programming?

Your opinion on homosexuality is a judgement Meg. "Do not Judge others" Matthew 7:1-5 It is against Jesus' teachings!

Meg do you think homosexuals choose their lifestyles? Can you tell me the day that you chose to be heterosexual - please explain your thought processes on that day?

Thank God for Meg she feels she can cast the first stone!

Did you look up any of the Bible quotes I gave you Meg? OR doesn't the Bible apply to you on this matter?

So many Christians call themselves Christian and then act in the most unChristian ways. What would Jesus do Meg?

<<As for the rent-a-crowd, what else would you call people who do not normally attend church there>> God's children, possibly seeking Jesus?

Do you know better than Jesus?

OMG Meg that didn't even cross your mind - did it? Were you so busy taking offense that you forgot all those years of indoctrination? Be careful Meg Matthew 7:21-23 might just apply to you!

Could your rent-a-crowd be "The Lost Sheep" in Luke 15:1-7 or "The Lost Coin" in Luke 15:8-10? Meg are you putting your Catholicism above your Christianity in your heart and in your words?

Can a person who calls themselves a Christian ignore these lessons just because they are angry? Matthew 5:21-23

Meg are you rattled? Do you really know your Bible?

Are you representing your Religion and God well here Meg?

Remember Mark 10:31: But many who are first will be last, and the last first."

And Meg's only visit to the Bible in her reply <<O2 if you love reading your bible, you'd know that hypocrisy isn't a virtue.>>

Dust off your Bible Meg - Are you qualified to speak on God's behalf?
Posted by Opinionated2, Thursday, 12 March 2009 11:41:08 AM
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