Well here we go again another Propaganda article from the Israeli Propaganda Dept,Runner,and the other right wing nongs will love this,fancy quoting Pipes and Bolton two of the failed Bush administration,that's clutching at straws.
Abbas and the PA,what a joke they will only last as long as the next election then there will be a HAMAS Govt in GAZA and the West Bank,given the collaboration and gangsterism and sheer do nothing by the PA re the Settlers(Land and water Thieves,Murderers) on the West Bank.
Typical ethnic cleansing stuff from one of the advocates of greater Israel

"there will be a HAMAS Govt in GAZA and the West Bank"

Possible, but did I notice a smirk on your face, John?

Power to Hamas means power to the settlers, and vice-versa.
They both share the same purpose of keeping the war going on.
They both do so because they need the war to impose their religious dogmas on their people.
Peace and prosperity are their worst enemies - it will phase them out.

They will never admit it publically, but Hamas and the settlers are the best friends.

In a recent interview on Israel radio, a doctor who supports the settlers warned: "we must never talk with the PA, it is immoral as it will end up in a Palestinian state, losing parts of the promised land... but yes, we must talk with Hamas. What about? it doesn't matter, of course not about a Palestinian state... but we can talk about economics for example, or about restricting certain weapons, or about technology and water-resources... after all, nothing is going to happen anwyay".

I have to give it to the Jewish lobby; while on the one hand they claim Hamas is a terrorist organisation because it wants to 'wipe Israel off the map', they then propose a solution that effectively wipes Palestine off the map.
We can see where this is leading: if there is no Palestine there can be no Palestinians, and with no Palestinians there could not have been hundreds of innocent Palestinian civilians killed in the past weeks and thousands over the past years. The years of persecution, deprivation and slaughter just disappear.

The previous poster summed up the moral integrity of the Jewish nation nicely when s/he said:

'I rather have a million Palestinians killed than one of my family lose a finger'

Three thousand years of history and two thousand years without a homeland, yet after all this time this is all they have to offer. What a disaster.

Dane,

Please allow me to make it very clear:

I do not represent the Jewish lobby and they do not represent me.
My concern is about my own family, who happen to live in Israel, not about Jews or Israelis in general.
Unfortunately, however, the lives of my family depend on the well-being of the state of Israel as a whole.

Whether Israel is right or wrong is a long discussion, but right now, I personally grew tired of it and have many other things to attend.
I can however state clearly and unequivocally: my family has done nothing wrong.

When it comes to my family I need no history, I need no excuses either: I support whatever it takes to secure their lives. I stand firmly behind my statement that you quoted.

I believe that if your family was also in Israel, you would feel exactly the same.

(my statement was wrongly posted under this topic, and was moved to the topic of "Should Jews leave Israel?")

I had a school friend in UK who joined her family in Israel in 1965, whose grandparents had been settled there since the 1800s. She and her husband were respected academics. We engaged in some lively political or social emails that I called 'Letters from Jerusalem' until she tragically died from what she considered was from stress related cancer.

I remember her describing how she, for the third time, was lining a room with plastic to escape possible gas attacks. "How awful!" I replied. "Not really it's taking the b..... stuff down again that is awful!"

She commented 'We are only to pleased to give the Palestinians automony. Problem is they fight amongst themselves and can't get politically organised".

Considering the small size of Israel, I don't think people realise
how close to home these attacks are on Israeli Jewish territory. Hamas gained election over the more liberal peace seeking Palestinians.

After the mandate was granted, 1948, a group of literally Jewish farmers without financial or political support from any other countries, defended their homeland and drove the Arab invaders out. The threatening Arab nations told the resident Palestinians to get out as they were going to be involved in a War Zone. And they did hoping to return to take possession of former Jewish property when the Jews were driven into the sea.

To quote the Israel PM, while apologizing to Gaza residents for civilian deaths. "Israel is not your enemy, Hamas is!"

So who cast the first stone, eh, going back 60 years? Not the Jewish
Israelis. Before this the Jews and resident Arab Palestinians lived
harmoniously together with possibly a common enemy - the Brits

Dane:

Palestine was wiped off the map when 77% of it became Jordan in 1946 and 17% of it became Israel in 1948. The remaining 6% - Gaza and the West Bank - remained under Egyptian and Jordanian occupation from 1948-1967 till it was lost to Israel in the Six Days War.

The Palestinian Arabs could have had their state in the whole of the West Bank and Gaza at any time during those 19 years of Jordanian and Egyptian occupation but failed to do so.

They have now been offered 93.6% of the West Bank and 100% of Gaza by Israel with an area equal to the balance (6.4%) being given to them from the sovereign territory of Israel. This offer has been rejected. The Arabs only want 100% of the West Bank and Gaza. Israel is not prepared to cede any more territory in the West Bank and Gaza since to do so would involve the removal of about 500000 Jews.

Additionally the Palestinian Arabs will only agree to accept a State in the whole of the West Bank and Gaza if millions of Arabs are allowed to emigrate to Israel - not to their newly created state in the West Bank and Gaza.

These are indisputable facts.

The proposed "two state solution" is therefore not a solution whilst the parties remain in the current state of deadlock.

The only circuit breaker that has any chance of now peacefully resolving Arab and Jewish claims to the West Bank and Gaza involves Jordan and Egypt resuming their occupation in those parts of the West Bank and Gaza as are agreed on between them and Israel in trilateral negotiations. What Egypt and Jordan do with the areas returned to them will be their decision and that of the Arab League and the Palestinian Arabs.

If anyone has a better view of what should happen then let him put up the proposal and let it be discussed.