Yuyutsu, with the wolf of course unendowed with the self-objecting to system man has we should see the wolf undergoing the doubts of a Julien Sorel or Rasholnikov.

This is like saying mankind should banish sex from their lives by self-objecting to it,
Some could do it no trouble at all. Some could do it for periods of time, a big majority couldn’t do it ever. That is what we are dealing with when it comes to man’s territorial instinct. It is a basic instinct as strong as,and imprinted as deeply into man as the sexual instinct. Hence the holocaust and all the other genocides through the centuries.

Man gets around his self-objecting system by vilifying the other race in some way. It is not murder if you kill the infidel. They are of the devil and God approves of it. Or,they are heretics or They are guilty of some evil practices like stealing children,etc.etc.

I do not think the Jews should leave Israel they only want Land to survive the same as the lamb needed water to survive, but they are a victim of the harsh dictates of nature and the fact that mankind is as territorial as any lion in Africa.

I think david f has explored the Jewish ‘problem’ admirably and with quite some equanimity. I’m sure he’d join in (at least in part) with the famous French Muslim thinker Roger Garaudy, who wrote this on the subject : The worst enemy of the prophetic Jewish faith is the nationalist, racist and colonialist logic of tribal Zionism, born of the nationalism, racism and colonialism of 19th century Europe. This logic …inspired all the colonialisms of the West and all its wars of one nationalism against another…There is no future or security for Israel and no peace in the Middle East unless Israel becomes "dezionized" and returns to the faith of Abraham, which is the spiritual, fraternal and common heritage of the three revealed religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam.

It may in fact be sensible to distinguish between certain devout Jews and certain atheist Zionists and those who support for a return to the "Jewish ethic" of killing someone before he kills you i.e. the radically religious zionist. Many Jews do not hold such an understanding of either of these ‘Zionisms’. There are a great many Jews who oppose the atheist Zionism's crimes against humanity, who want Israel to withdraw at once from all the territory it has occupied, and neither do they want a racist ‘Jewish state'. Ideally, Israel should be a free state where all races and communities can live together in equality – a principle held in the west, even if improperly practiced.

Relda- Ideally Israel should be a free state where all races and communities can live together in equality.

Ideally is the operative word here. It is idealism and not reality. I too would like to see the Palestinians and the Jews live together in peace and equality but as your own post states this cannot occur while the Jews do not include Islamic beliefs in their faith(Judiasm, christianity and Islam). In other words the Palestinians could not accept the Jews if they do not believe in Islam in some form. Non acceptance by the Palestinians in other words.

Kind of blows the lovely idea of an equal state where people are accepting of each other to pieces.

French Muslim Thinker Roger Garaudy-: The worst enemy of the prophetic Jewish faith is the nationalist, racist and colonialist logic of tribal Zionism.

I think Roger should take his thinking outside of the Muslim box and have a good look at human anthropology on this planet.

He would find that all races(tribes,bloodlines) have fought never ending territorial wars across this planet since the earliest times.

The Palestinian –Jewish war is a territorial war with blood on both sides. The Arabs want the Jews off their land(territory) that is their stated goal. This IS tribal territorial warfare on both sides.
It is about bloodline not religion.

Sharkfin,
You demonstrate a kind of pragmatism which offers very little for the sense of a lasting solution and hope for either people. Many may well believe that the Israeli state epitomises Marx’s doctrine that power alone is the effective force – however, this atheistic creed is far from being the sole motivator behind Israeli politics – neither is the gain of mere territory an adequate enough explanation for the over-riding politics of the Palestinian. Herzl and other Zionist founders believed that if Jews had a nation of their own, the very fact would "normalize" their condition in the community of nations. At the moment of Israel’s birth, Palestinian Arabs lived on roughly 90 percent of the original Palestine Mandate – there were 800,000 Arabs living in Israel alongside 1.2 million Jews. At the same time, Jews were legally barred from settling in the 35,000 square miles of Palestinian Transjordan, which eventually was renamed simply "Jordan."

If a nation state is all the Palestinians desire, Jordan could be the solution - settling for 95 percent of one’s demands would seem reasonable. The Palestinians, however, continue to want to destroy Israel, this seems more related to a racist or religious ideology, and certainly not territorial scavenging.

Iranian commentator and blogger, interestingly enough, aptly confirms the Palestinians as currently more driven by an ideology, “..Not too long ago, Israel was a non entity. But life is different now. Israel is a reality. And a prosperous one too! It's not going any where. Palestinians need to realize they lost land by war and to superior political strategizing! The land is gone. How long are they going to resist and fight for what is no longer theirs? 1000 years? If so, then perhaps Iran should start claiming some land too! It just doesn't work like that.”– TheMrs (http://www.iranian.com/main/blog/themrs/advice-palestinians?page=1)

Relda- Thank you for your very intelligent reply and your search for a solution. My outlook IS cynical and does not see any solution but it is good that people like yourself are trying to find one.

There is a saying that the truth will set you free and I try to portray the true nature of mankind and why he is always at war as I believe it to be, in the hope that somehow if we allow ourselves to see the truth then in someway we will come up with real solutions to avert conflicts in the future and have the peace on earth that we all so desperately desire and despair of.

I guess it is my way of trying to arrive at a solution for the world in the long run but sadly it does not offer much in the way of short term solutions and those are what must be found at the moment

Sharkfin,

"There is a saying that the truth will set you free and I try to portray the true nature of mankind and why he is always at war"

Mankind is not always at war, only sometimes.

"somehow if we allow ourselves to see the truth then in someway we will come up with real solutions to avert conflicts in the future and have the peace on earth that we all so desperately desire and despair of."

If you see the truth, then you will avert all future conflicts within you and attain inner peace.

Not all of us desperately desire and despair for peace:
some have found it already,
others do not desire it at the moment,
yet others desire peace only partially and do not despair for it.

"trying to arrive at a solution for the world in the long run"

If it ain't broken, why fix it?
The world has NO solution,
it is perfect as it is!

Could God possibly create anything less than perfect?

If you really want the truth, look at both the half-empty and the half-full cup. Wars are part of this world, and so is all its beauty.

"short term solutions and those are what must be found at the moment"

You may find some short-term solutions at times, but it is not a "must". The world will continue regardless to be what it is, to serve its purpose, whether you like its ways or not.

To achieve long-term peace, if you are sincere and desperate, detach yourself, go beyond this world. People may still be fighting and having wars - let them, they are here because they need to learn their lessons, so smile as you go past this amazing big school and thank God for His infinite wisdom in which everything has its place.