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Pope speaks out on homosexuality : Comments
By Michael Cook, published 9/1/2009The inescapable fact of human existence is that we are both rational and animal and we cannot defy the laws of nature.
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Posted by Gibo, Saturday, 10 January 2009 8:17:38 PM
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*Celivia.
Sure homosexuality is an addiction.* Whew, thank Darwin we have some rational and informed posters like Cevilia on OLO, or the nutters would seemingly take over... Gibo, if sexual attraction is an addiction, then you must be a sex addict :) I put it to you that humans,like all other species, evolved to instincevly enjoy sex, for if a species did not,they would soon become extinct. So in other words, sexual attraction is normal and natural. * The Bible tells us that the heart is wicked/deceitful above all* The bible is clearly confused in this case, for the heart is little more then a pump. Religious addication, now yup that seems to exist. Even Poly admitted to me that he needs it to cope with life. You seem much the same. Gibo, you are an addict! Posted by Yabby, Saturday, 10 January 2009 10:02:09 PM
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Hi Gibo,
You seem to reason that homosexuality is an addiction because “The heart, in many people, loves it if they allow it. It loves the sex, the porn, the drugs, the alcohol, the pride..,” I’d agree that people CAN become addicted to any or all of these things, but many people do these things without ever becoming addicted to them. Merely allowing yourself to do something ‘the heart’ loves doesn’t mean you’re addicted to it. (BTW it’s like Yabby says in the brain, not in the heart but I know what you mean). We all aim to do what we love. What else are people supposed to do all day- allow themselves only to do things we hate? Dictionary.com defines addiction as: “the state of being enslaved to a habit or practice or to something that is psychologically or physically habit-forming, as narcotics, to such an extent that its cessation causes severe trauma.” Homosexuals are no more enslaved to having sex as heterosexuals are. Neither is homosexual sex more habit-forming than heterosexual sex. And, the only trauma that homosexuals have to deal with is the trauma caused by homophobes and because of discrimination against homosexuals such as discussed by JL Deland. (BTW, thanks for that touching story, JL.) And this is what the sexual recovery institute says about sexual addiction: http://www.sexualrecovery.com/resources/articles/homosexuality.php “Sexual activities and relationships with members of ones own sex, whether casual or intimate, are not considered to be a sign or symptom of sexual addiction. Sexual addiction is not defined by type of sexual act, by choice of sexual partner, or the sex of that partner. Sexual addiction is defined by the escalating negative consequences of sexual behaviors that are acted out compulsively and impulsively, often without regard to personal or relational consequences.” I hope that it is now clear to you that homosexual sex is not an addiction. I’m serious when I say that religion can become an addiction. Some of the fundies on this site certainly are enslaved to a practice that is habit-forming to the extend that its cessation would cause you severe trauma. Posted by Celivia, Sunday, 11 January 2009 1:19:19 PM
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Your heart, Yabby, is a bit more than a pump:)
It feels for you, it loves, can be angry, can hate and can get much trapped with re-occuring sexual lusts. Anything in excess is addiction. If youre in it, and cant get out of it, youre addicted. It may not meet the specific description a dictionary may record as to the 'name title' but its still something that holds you trapped. Sexual excesses are addiction, because youre now stuck with 'the thing', and have to repeat it over and over again to placate the hearts desire for it. Homosexuality, in those who like it, begins through weakness in giving into it. In finding pleasure in its acts, those acts get repeated like any drug cycle, and then the bondage to the act becomes complete. It owns you. Thats addiction. God says no to homosexuality because its His Law. He Created life a certain way and it pleases Him that we follow that Law. If not then a penalty comes into existance. Only going back to God in confession of sin and for His help gets us set free. I think Darwin died a christian amazed at how the wild thoughts of the young man he had been, had been grabbed by those who wanted to think apart from the Holy Bible. Posted by Gibo, Sunday, 11 January 2009 5:45:21 PM
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*It feels for you, it loves, can be angry, can hate and can get much trapped with re-occuring sexual lusts.*
Sorry Gibo, but this is why you can't take the bible literally. If you were correct, then what happens when we give people an artificial heart? The heart is just a pump. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_heart What you are talking about is the limbic system, which is kind of the second section or emotional section of the brain. Where this whole idea of the heart as you refer to it came from, was because the Egyptians thought that what we now call the brain, was where the heart is. They thought that what we have as a brain, was a cooling system, IIRC. Luckily for you, we have science available to correct some of those bible mistakes :) Posted by Yabby, Sunday, 11 January 2009 6:38:52 PM
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Thankyou Crabsy. Glad your church is progressive, more power to it.
Gibo have you investigated the church of the Flying Spagetti Monster? If you ever look for a change It's easier going than your with only eight 'I'd rather you did not's'. Plus pasta. I'ts worth a google. I love it myself. I suspect though they have no interest at all in their member's sexual orientations. Posted by JL Deland, Sunday, 11 January 2009 6:48:44 PM
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Sure homosexuality is an addiction.
What did you think it was?
The heart, in many people, loves it if they allow it.
It loves the sex, the porn, the drugs, the alcohol, the pride, the over-eating, the idolatry (how many want a Ferrari here or similar?)
The Bible tells us that the heart is wicked/deceitful above all.
The Word tells us frequently to guard our hearts.
All of the war at the present time... what is that?
Its the unguarded heart filled with anger and hate.
The 12 Steps were Given by God so we would know which Direction to look for, for the solving of the problem of addiction.
To encourage us look to God!
Thats why the 12 Steps work.
All we have to be is willing. Then it doesnt fail.