Hmm... Say I was your neighbour. Every day or so I walked over to your house & punched one of your kids just because I don't like you.

You come out and get angry at me, but being politically Correct you don't punch me back. You call the police. After a few hours the police turn up and do a drive by in your street. as they cant see anything they go back to the station. I see them leave & I come over & punch your kids again. For calling the police. You call the police again & they come & ask me not to punch the kids again. When They leave I come over to you house again & punch your wife & the kids.

This time you punch me & knock out a few teeth. The whole neighbourhood get up in arms over you punching me & they stage a demonstration in front of my house to condem you for punching me.

Is that how it works?

Bushbred,

Any middle-of-the-roader would be sympathetic to the cause of the Palestinians until the first intifada when it became obvious that the Palestinian leadership is not interested in setting up a nation.

Since then, it is difficult to turn the clock back. Even Palestinian Mohammed Dahlan, head of security has admitted that Hamas's 'Sole Strategy is Destruction and Chaos'

“Hamas is one of the worst organizations in the region. People are afraid of the Islamists and no one in Gaza dares to express criticism. Otherwise they face imprisonment or even death. Just like Israel, Hamas shows no consideration for ordinary people -- its fighters fire rockets right from the heart of residential areas”

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,599459,00.html

Hamas’ mandate from “Allah” is to destroy Jews first, then all non-Islamists later. There is no way Hamas is going to agree to a cease fire. The only way is to send them to ‘paradise’ where 72 virgins await them

the earth would be harmonious without all the stupid waring humans

Kensho - you should start by eliminating youself

Before the Palestinean refugees, there was the Jewish refugees, who was kicked out of their homes in Judea (now renamed West Bank) by the Muslim conquerers.

These people just hates each other, there had been so many war between these 2 people throughout history, andI think both of them have some rights to the land.

However it is the lunatics on both side at the moment that are causing the current conflict, which was started by Hamas' rockets. I like JayB's analogy on this. Hamas does not cares for its citizens, they are happy that muslim children dies, if it could get a few people to sympathise with their cause

Some people just like to see the world burn

mac

Most Palestinian "refugees" live in the land in which they, their parents and often their grandparents were born. They are not "refugees" in the usual sense of the word.

Follow this link to see the definition of a "Palestinian refugee."

http://www.un.org/unrwa/refugees/whois.html

It is an extraordinarily wide definition. Were similar definitions to apply to other groups my children would be "refugees" from Germany and half of all Israelis would be "refugees" from various Arab countries. Many people born in Australia and the US would be "refugees" from countries all over the world.

Among Palestinians, as the UN definition explains, "refugee" is an HEREDITARY TITLE passed down through the "male line." That is how the 900,000 Palestinian refugees of 1948 became 4.6 million "refugees" in 2009.

There is no denying that most Palestinians live in wretched circumstances – as do people in many parts of the world who do not receive UNRWA aid. WHY THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO BUILD LIVES FOR THEMSELVES IN THE LANDS OF THEIR, AND THEIR PARENTS' BIRTH, IS AN INTERESTING QUESTION beyond the scope of this post.

Perhaps Palestinians living in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon should receive compensation because their parents, (grandparents? How far back do we go?) were refugees in 1948. But most Palestinian "refugees" today are not refugees any more than most Israelis, Australians or Americans today are refugees.

Hence my use of quotes when using the word "refugee."

Enclosing "Palestinian" in quotes was a typo.

Most Palestinians outside Israel are victims of persecution and oppression in the lands of their birth. Their lot in Israel, while not great, is mostly better than that of non-Israeli Palestinians.

Examinator

Do you accept the following two propositions?

--Israel has a right to exist as an independent JEWISH STATE within its 1967 borders.

--The descendants of Palestinian refugees of 1946-8 do not have a "right of return" to pre-1967 Israel. (They may have a right to financial compensation but that is a different matter)

If you do we can have a discussion. If not there is no point.

As a Christian that has actually visited Palestine/Israel( with an open mind) & personally witnessed the racist attitude of the average Israeli minor officials- soldiers-citizens, not only directed at their Arab cousins but also at the other non Arab, non Jewish inhabitants, one can only surmise there is some hidden conscious problem?
Israel exists in its present arrogant/aggressive political form only because of its complete unconditional support( financial-military) by the government of the USA.
No doubt both sides of the political equation:- Arab/Jew, are equaly to blame for the present unsolvable situation. Neither side can see the others point of view, but one thing is certain military force will not solve the problem.
An unconditional cease fire must be implemented immediatly!
The United Nations must carry out its obligations & completely re-assess the original 1948 agreement. Both sides must be forced to the negotiating table & be forced to accept a re-negotiated, two separate
country agreements, said to be fair & equitable to both countries. The US government having had their fair share of negotiating with singular failure should butt out & hand over completely to the UN.
This UN negotiation backed up with the full support of the world nations that comprise the UN must be effected urgently to heal, once & for all time, this festering sore on the body of the democratic world.