Polycarp,

You just don't get it, do you? Probably incapable now of letting go your hatred long enough to try to understand any writing that is even mildly supportive of the religion you hate (your supposed distinction between Islamophobia and Muslimophobia is spurious).

And your ever-present hypocrisy continues to escape your consciousness: you fear and hate Islamic doctrines because (inter alia) they incite 'hatred against Christians and Jews'. You can't see the irony of that.

Your list of various 'shades' of Muslim can be exactly replicated in your own religion. It seems you inhabit 'the twighlight zone of surreal double talk' to quote your misspelled babble.

"As a general rule", you say, "I don't believe in discrimination against Muslims in most of the areas of life..." and then immediately recommend we should discriminate against "...those who might have access to information on us." And, as usual, it's a single anecdote intended to generate fear based on an isolated instance and to be applied to all people of that faith.

LESSONS FOR POLYCOM:

1. Your kind of fear is the antithesis of 'rational'.

2. Don't use words like 'compassion' when you have none.

3. 'Deluded' is exactly the right word for all religious nutters who claim to be omniscient when it come to God.

4. A little thoughtful uncertainty and even humility might be useful if you grand design is to 'restore lost humanity'.

Defining Islamophobia

Trav wrote:

I wonder how many Christian terrorist attacks there have been in the same timeframe?

Dear Trav,

German churches backed Hitler’s Christian Germany for the most part. The Nazi murders took place in an atmosphere of hate supported by Christian Jew-hating propaganda. More lives were lost than in all the Islamic terrorist attacks. The Holocaust remains an act of Christian terrorism far outweighing Islamic acts. Even anti-Nazi Christian countries participated by denying refuge to most of those fleeing the Nazi terror. Christians remain in denial as to the guilt of their religion in that great terror.

The second greatest terrorist attack in US history was the blowing up of the Murtagh building in Oklahoma City killing 168 people by the Christian fundamentalist terrorist, Timothy McVeigh. Christian terrorists bomb abortion clinics and murder doctors providing that service.

Christian terrorists don’t even get named correctly. Speight and his allies took over in Fiji and turfed out Choudhury the democratically elected prime minister of Indian descent while Christian groups sang hymns on Parliament Lawn. He was a Christian terrorist, but I never saw him named as such.

Christians United for Israel (CUFI) in the US maintain Israeli government policies must never be criticized because Israel is doing God's will. But they do criticise any Israeli government which tries to bring peace, witness how Rabin and Barak were so attacked. They are radical Dispensationalists who believe in the imminent end of the world. They will go straight to Heaven without dying, while the rest of the human race, including Jews who don't convert, will be wiped out with great suffering.

Both Christianity and Islam are alike in being missionary religions seeking to spread their delusional systems and blind to their own evil. I believe the world would be better off if all missionary religions would disappear. All religions are delusional systems, but missionary Christianity and Islam have done more damage than the others

davidf, your post is full of errors on almost every line. I've discussed issues like this with people like you before, and it makes me wonder whether to bother with you. In the interests of not prioritising my personal time on people with a biased, hateful agenda (as is clear from your post above) I'll make this short.

- Timothy McVeigh- I don't know much about this situation, so I briefly skimmed wikipedia for 2 minutes and found your ridiculous charge of 'Christian terrorist' to be completely false and misleading.

McVeigh claims to be a Catholic, but nowhere is there ANY indication whatsoever that his religious beliefs had anything to do with his motivation for the attacks. This is a massive contrast from Muslims who claim they are doing the work of God. To even compare the two would be a complete category error.

McVeigh is a deluded fool who committed the atrocity for who knows what reasons, The 9/11 bombers were doing something they believed full well to be divinely inspired- as are the other cases on The Religion of Peace website- who points out the 12 1/2 thousand in last 7 years stat.

In fact, there's even a link between McVeigh's Co-conspirator and ISLAMIC terrorists, if you read the wiki entry.

- Nazi Germany- where to start!? Again, a quick reading of wiki will show that you're way out of line. The Nazi party banned church seminaries in 1937 and aimed to control or destroy all churches. Does this seem like the world of a Christian party to you!? If anything, the overall goals of the Nazi regime were atheistic (wiping religion off the map) rather than religious.

Speight and CUFI- don't have time to look into these specific examples, but as you're talking tripe with the other two, and they're of limited significance in the discussion anyway, I won't bother.

"I believe the world would be better off if all missionary religions would disappear."

Have a read of this article, and tell me what you think:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/matthew_parris/article5400568.ece

As the above article is actually relevant to some of the discussions going on here, I'll just fill you all in on what it is. basically it's written by an atheist, who thinks that the world of Evangelical Christian Missionaries in Africa is positively awesome.

"Now a confirmed atheist, I've become convinced of the enormous contribution that Christian evangelism makes in Africa: sharply distinct from the work of secular NGOs, government projects and international aid efforts. These alone will not do. Education and training alone will not do. In Africa Christianity changes people's hearts. It brings a spiritual transformation. The rebirth is real. The change is good."

"I used to avoid this truth by applauding - as you can - the practical work of mission churches in Africa. It's a pity, I would say, that salvation is part of the package, but Christians black and white, working in Africa, do heal the sick, do teach people to read and write; and only the severest kind of secularist could see a mission hospital or school and say the world would be better without it

Dear Trav,

I read the article about the missionaries in Africa and admit they have done great work and made life better for a lot of people. I also admit to being wrong about Timothy McVeigh.

Please check on Speight and CUFI.

However, although Hitler and the Nazis were in general not religious they used the hatred of Jews promoted by Christianity to further their aims. From Wikipedia:

On the Jews and Their Lies (German: Von den Jüden und iren Lügen; in modern spelling Von den Juden und ihren Lügen) is a 65,000-word treatise written by German Reformation leader Martin Luther in 1543.
In the treatise, Luther writes that the Jews are a "base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth." Luther wrote that they are "full of the devil's feces ... which they wallow in like swine," and the synagogue is an "incorrigible whore and an evil slut ..." He argues that their synagogues and schools be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes razed, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness, afforded no legal protection, and these "poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time. He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[w]e are at fault in not slaying them."
The prevailing scholarly view since the Second World War is that the treatise exercised a major and persistent influence on Germany's attitude toward its Jewish citizens in the centuries between the Reformation and the Holocaust. Four hundred years after it was written, the National Socialists displayed On the Jews and Their Lies during Nuremberg rallies, and the city of Nuremberg presented a first edition to Julius Streicher, editor of the Nazi newspaper Der Stürmer, the newspaper describing it as the most radically antisemitic tract ever published..

Dear DAvid F

on Luther:

<<the Jews are a "base, whoring people, that is, no people of God, and their boast of lineage, circumcision, and law must be accounted as filth." they are "full of the devil's feces ... which they wallow in like swine,">>

Choice words eh... but might I just point out, they are LUTHERS words..not those of Jesus nor the apostles. Now.. if some secular person like...hmmm.. POL POT.. aaah yes.. a good example.. decided that we will now have 'Day zero' and a new start with Cambodian humanity..cleansed of the old order an in with the new... surely.. SURELY.. you would not then equally condemn all atheists nor would you say "Atheism did these terrible things in Cambodia"...would you?

I hope not. I grow weary of your use of the term 'Christianity' .. in connections such as these. "Christianity" is the name of the faith..referring to the teaching/beliefs of the faith, not an adjective for the behavior of those claiming to be adherents.

APOSTLE PAUL'S WORDS. (about Jews)

<<Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. 5Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.>>

TRTL.. as I've said to some recently .. ur too easy :) I deliberately act in a 'charicature' manner at times.. crikey it would be rather boring if not no? But I do have the power of reason. It's just that it led me to where I am.. why not allow me the freedom of speech you so love yourself?

SPIKEY.. I've been missing you :) But my concerns are quite rational I assure you. Fear? nah..I was a lone pro Israel voice with a sign saying "Hamas are genocidal terrorists" among many Palestinian supporters last sunday.. trust me..I'm not 'scared'. But I do wish to change the political/cultural landscape.