matangi,i am a personal friend/and treaty holder of dennis walker[who was a member of the aust version of the black panther/movement]who was arrested on a trumpt-up charge and locked-away for over ten years,

much like the hamas membership has been locked up...[dennis had a show trial,...whereas hamas get locked up indefinatly[and permantly]just for getting electoral nomination AND NO TRIAL

that is where israel dont target them for assasination with bombs,and poisen..[you use phospher and depleted uranium..[we used cynide and small pox]..but it is revealed as simply colonisation 101

they[you remove their leaders]and try to corrupt the next in line[as long as the murder continues]...we know no coconuts are being conned
[coconuts are white inside black..[or as the arab league reveals arabs that serve the zionist/jew invader]

its the same omnipotant racist neo con type that controls the same old coloninising invader game of racial extinction any who could claim higher authority

i have with dennis visited many gulags,here in australia..[you need invader permission permits to visit]..you find the gulag system here is adopted from the american indian gulags...[upon which hitler modeled his gulag's...[upon which israel; modeled their gaza gulag

its the same colinisation system,..using the self same coliniser teqniques and languages...and the same red neck colonial racist attitude

that steals others land's while oppressing the natives into invader controled gulags..[we too have our capoes..[who bravely oppress their own serving the invader]

it is you that raised the abo issue,..but it makes the perfect live time proof of how far others are prepared to go to make themselves into the white good guy with absolute control over media laws and oppressive policing

now dennis sees that force is their weapon,that the moral duty is to simply survive the oppressor[hamas havnt got that far yet]..but why bother explaining stuff to the likes as you and your red neck mates who serve evil,

calling murder of indigenants fair,yet your crap stinks,..but with every vile emition from your mouth you reveal the evil invasion of others is revealed as the poor excuse to oppress others that it really is murder by invading..[overwelming force]

I will not change, Harry G, or in bush language I ain't changin'.

Possibly mainly it is over Israel's unlawfull allowance by both American and British leaders `to let Israel go militarily nuclear.

Certainly in the long run the false pride that the host of the latest atomic warheads is giving them might unfortunately be their undoing.

Finally, your nasty pings at my poor English makes me laugh, because that was I why failed to get a commission in WW2, even though I became a top specialist not only in scientific long-range gunnery, but later after it saved Britain, in radar.

Might add, that I never ever completed primary school, having to leave school early in the Great Depression at 12 to drive a wagon team.

Have Fun,
from BB, Buntine, WA.

HarryG

If Israel were fighting Palestinians under Fatah, many would be on the side of Palestinians. Fatah is a Palestinian secular organisation that represents the interests of Palestinians.

HAMAS, on the other hand, is an extreme Islamists group bent on killing moderate Muslims, non-Muslims and Jews.

The video produced by Palestinians shows HAMAS killing their own people. Guests at a wedding party were killed because music was played.

It's impossible to negotiate with irrational people who believe they represent god.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1M4eH9Kk7I&eurl

One Under God,

Thanks for the interest in my posting history :)
You seem more concerned about it than what I am...

26 posts now! lol

doesn't anyone get it? hamas hide behind civilians. they take over UN buildings, schools, hospitals and mosques. what would be israel's strategic interests in killing civilians. it has hamas to worry about.

the attacks at the school the other day were not unexpected (http://www.reuters.com/article/middleeastCrisis/idUSL05686115) as hamas frequently use civilian safe houses to launch attacks at israel.

if israel wanted to kill civilians, or even commit genocide, the death toll would be higher than 800, israel wouldn't drop leaflets warning of attacks and would carpet bomb gaza instead of using high-tech expensive weapons to target hamas terrorists hiding amongst civilians.

also: http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/32368_UN_School_Used_by_Terrorists_As_a_Weapons_Dump

Matangi:
You are still at it. You accuse me of saying: I “expected Israel to just watch their own people dying, and to wait for more missiles”. Where did you get that idea from? What allows you, in clear conscience, to make such an accusation? I have ignored your hypothetical about “abos”, because it an irrelevant simplification and carries overtones of racism.

PaulL, I had read Daniel Finkelstein’s article (The Australian is also delivered to my household) but I would not say it was “well reasoned and moderate” the way you do. He uses the typical approaches of someone who attempts to make an apparently “well reasoned and moderate” approach to help sway the opinion of the reader. It is not a bad opinion piece, nevertheless.

Incidentally, I have visited Anne Frank House in Amsterdam and was much moved by it. I also visited the Anne Frank exhibition a few years back at Sydney’s Powerhouse Museum, and I have visited Dachau, Sachsenhausen, Auschwitz and more recently Pol Pot’s torture rooms and killing fields in Phnom Penh. You might think this makes me a “sicko”, but I think getting “close up and personal” with places such as this makes me a better (and perhaps arrogant!) person. “Nie wieder”(Never again) is the cry, which I endorse, but unfortunately, I see the use of killing and destruction is still used as part of the process in conflict resolution. Having learned a little more of my background, you might understand better where I am coming from. As an atheist, I regard all human life as important, without reference to religion, race or location.

Finkelstein says that he “patiently explained to this kind, good man” (understanding his style, Paul?) about the 2000 Camp David accord with Yasser Arafat, but I submit that 2000 has long gone, as has Arafat, and with Abbas a better result could well obtain, and Hamas could be marginalised and made irrelevant. They receive sympathy but little respect from Palestine. It will require UN involvement, monitoring, “no go” zones etc but we have seen this work before.

tbc