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Not another wave of Islamophobia please! : Comments

By Alice Aslan, published 17/12/2008

Islamophobia still dominates any debate on Islam and Muslims in Australia, and the terrorist attacks in India are likely to exacerbate this.

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TO ANYONE THAT'S REALLY INTERESTED ,in the subject of the article, the origins and purposes of "Islamophobia" are examined in Gina Kahn's diary on the "Butterflies and Wheels" website.
www.butterfliesandwheels.com
Posted by mac, Saturday, 20 December 2008 8:46:38 PM
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Nursel,
For your benefit, Bigmal pointed to a website that provided a clue about major root causes of violence (and terrorism).

http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/28244/sec_id/28244

The information there more or less confirms my numerous claims that Islam is based on Mohammed's lies.
(1)...How important is Mohammed to Islam? A whooping 86% of total text.
(2)...How important is Allah to Islam? Only 14% of the Koranic text.
(3)...How important is kafirs (non-believers) to Islam? A disturbing 61% of text devoted to kafirs, meaning the Koran is actually a book to wage wars.

Mohammed never met a heavenly Angel like he claimed. He lied in order to establish Islam, (to benefit himself foremost). The Islam religion had made Mohammed a very successful warrior against his opponents, the non-believers.
I believe Mohammed did not care about Islam when he died. He wouldn't need Islam then.
But he probably did not foresee that Islam took on a life of its own, grew and grew so large that millions of faithful stomp on Mecca every years, causing great pollution.

And all those poor Muslims thought they pray to a godhead called Allah, (which weighs only 14% in Islamic text).

Haha..ha... (I guess I really ought to hold my laughter, not out of respect though)

BTW, that website did not fully explain why Koranic material is obscure; difficult to understand; horrible and contradictory.
Well, a missing explanation is very simple - Koran had never come from a godhead of infinite wisdom in the first place. It was only the WORK OF AN ILLITERATE MAN, A LIAR - Mohammed.
Posted by G Z, Saturday, 20 December 2008 10:19:58 PM
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A report from an Indian newspaper

>Lucknow (IANS): A section of Muslims here has offered special prayers for the early release of Iraqi journalist Muntazer al-Zaidi who hurled shoes at US President George W. Bush, a cleric said on Saturday. The prayers have been organised in prominent seminaries and mosques in Lucknow on the call of the Islamic Centre of India, said Maulana Khalid Rasheed, who heads the city's oldest Islamic seminary Firangi Mahal. Maulana Rasheed told IANS: "We will continue to hold such prayers till Zaidi is freed." <

How about holding prayers until Pakistan shuts down the terror camps? How about praying for the victims in Mumbai? How about dealing with the many problems in India itself?

It is this identification with co-religionists in a faraway land, at the expense of your fellow countrymen that will breed Islamophobia. Would their neighbors be wrong in asking where the loyalty of these people resides?

And these same people who so curse Bush... what about Yahya Khan? What about "Tiger" Niazi? This is the 37th anniversary of the Genocide in then East Pakistan when MILLIONS of men, women and children were killed. The systematic extermination of all doctors, teachers, intellectuals, the entire educated east Bengali class, by the Pakistan Army.

No prayers for them - no war crimes trials for the killers - why?
Because the murderers were Muslim? Because the genocide was conducted by an Islamic state?

Why is justice for the millions of Bengali genocide victims not part of the long list of Muslim grievances to be protested, to be used as justification for terror attacks somewhere?
Posted by john frum, Saturday, 20 December 2008 10:34:42 PM
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GZ

Sorry you are wrong. The New English paper referred to above and which you say doesnt explain why the Koran is so difficult to follow does do so.

"The foundational texts of Islam[1]--the Trilogy--suffer from being deliberately difficult. It is clear to anyone who reads these texts that every effort has been made to make the material obscure and difficult. There are two reasons for this obscurity. First, difficult texts make for a secure job for the priestly caste—the imams and scholars. If the text is clear in meaning, then no help is needed to understand it etc ..."

CJ Morgan Why dont you do some proper homework on the issues raised instead of peddling your puerile nonsense.

Since when has the search for the truth been something that should be avoided just because it might hurt someones delusional beliefs.

What is being shown is that there are very good reasons for the existence of Islamophobia, however defined--these reasons may not be palatable but they are truths than need to be brought out into the open.
Posted by bigmal, Sunday, 21 December 2008 8:02:06 AM
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bigmal: << Why dont you do some proper homework on the issues raised instead of peddling your puerile nonsense >>

Why is it "puerile nonsense" to state the obvious? Islam didn't cause the disgraceful Cronulla race riot, but Islamophobia certainly was a causal factor. What are certainly puerile are comments like this from GZ:

<< Haha..ha... (I guess I really ought to hold my laughter, not out of respect though) >>

I seem to recall that both GZ and bigmal are Christians, which sort of makes their objections to Islam rather hypocritical, doesn't it? Like Islam, their religion is based on fanciful myths of Iron Age Middle Eastern pastoralists, which have been written down later in convoluted texts whose meaning their credulous adherents have been arguing about ever since.

Perhaps bigmal could have another go at doing his own "homework", since his last effort shows little evidence of comprehension of "the issues".
Posted by CJ Morgan, Sunday, 21 December 2008 9:03:58 AM
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Well, it seems Ms Guzeldinez has succeeded in clouding the already clouded issue.

The hatred of muslims is one thing, and the criticism of Islam is another thing. The hatred of muslims should be discouraged, but the criticism of Islam should be encouraged, it is long overdue.

Lumping these two things together and calling it Islamophobia does nothing to help the situation. Calling someone Islamophobic would be like calling someone here Truthophobic. Just about everyone here would take offence at being called Truthophobic (irrational fear of the truth). And as we know, the moment one starts using ad hominem, it is evidence that their argument is weak.
Posted by Bassam, Sunday, 21 December 2008 10:27:56 AM
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