RealityCheck,

Your story about Narwee High School has touched a cord. I know that part of Sydney. I used to wonder why that high school became a residential development.

How do we, in a society that allows free choice, cater for existence of an expanding non-democratic force (a.k.a. Islam)??

A tough question. But one that must be dealt with for the sake of freedom and democracy.

This is really not my area of expertise. But I offer a discussion below to kick off.

(1)...An obvious logical answer is to adopt selective (ie. partly non-democratic) legislations that disallow Islamic schools, (whilst permitting non-Islamic institutions).

On the surface, this seems unacceptable in a free society, contradictary to freedom and democracy.

But just like no one predicted the timing and severity of the recent financial market turmoil, an unexpected event can turn what is impossible/unacceptable into a reality. The key is to be prepared, so that one can seize the moment.

For instance, a major terrorist strike (God forbids) in Australia by Islamist jihadists ought to be a sufficient trigger for closing down suspect/affiliated Islamic institutions.

Like I said, the key is "BE PREPARED". Our politicians and administrators must have policy drafts in place well before a major incident. That will enable the government to quickly en-act appropriate laws at the right time, seizing public opinion.

(2)...Another key is knowledge about Islam

There will always be confusions whether a problem is racially or religiously motivated. On top of these, there are people like CJMorgan who will obfuscate the public with their bias; cowardice; and perhaps secretive unholy alliance.

Too many doubts, unanswered questions will negatively impact decisiveness. This is not a good position to be in.

The public, (yes, everyone) must be well-informed about the nature of Islam so that they can quickly conclude whether Islam is the root cause of a violence, and offer public supports to law-makers.

The public must be knowledgeable enough so that they are not fooled by diversionary tactic typical of CJMorgan. (Such as political-correctness and unfounded claims that other religions are just as bad as Islam).

Well said GZ and Froggie

C J Morgan
The issue is not that any other religion has proseltysed around the world at various stages of history, but that the Saudis over the last 50 years,have and still are, been pouring billions into the building of mosques and schools all over the world, AND, controlling the curriculums so that they can propogate their violence and hatred, AND, engaging in their own brand of bigotry by not allowing anything from any other religion to be built or promoted in Saudi.

In case you missed it, here is the reference again.

http://www.hudson.org/files/pdf_upload/saudi_textbooks_final.pdf

Clearly there is vast difference between your glib assertions, yet again, and current realities.

CJ...and his knowledge of Islam :)

Personal Anecdote..(Illustrative of CJ's condition)

LOCATION: RMIT Melbourne

OCCASION: Public information meeting re the 'Mosque' on RMIT premises.

ENCOUNTER: With Socialist youth in mall, expressing support for the Muslims.

DETAILS:
Once it became clear that I was not in favor of the Mosque, the Socialist chappy became agitated. Before his head exploded I asked him "Do you actually know anything about Islam"? His response:"About as much as I know about any religion.. very little"

Then.. when I began to drag out a Quran to use as evidence....his head did actually explode.. or maybe implode :) he went into:
"Point weak, shout/yell/abuse" mode and proceeded to berate me for being opposed to something he knew just about ZERO about!

WELCOME to the world of CJ Morgan and his bishop...Pericles :)

Now.. a rational person might take a peek at the Saudi Educational texts and see what they say.... hmmmm now that should not be too onerous for young CJ.... but his aversion to 'inconvenient' facts is now well known :) but please.. PUH-LEASE...don't shuffle off in a huff.. you make us look toooo good :)

Much of the bigotry and discrimination to Muslims goes unreported because many fear retaliation.

There is far more bigotry dished out by muslims that goes unreported for fear of retaliation.

The NSW police apply the full force of the law to pasty faced nazi nerds while they cower from the real hardmen the Muslim street thugs

Polycarp,

Just curious...Do you always happen to carry around a copy of the Quran in case you should happen to be on a university campus?

Just curious...How does the 'Socialist youth' in your selected anecdote relate to (a) CJ Morgan or (b) the topic at hand here?

Just curious...Why do you find shouting offensive when you are notorious for that behaviour?

Just curious...Why do you find it apposite to comment on another poster's alleged aversion to inconvenient facts when that's your own trademark?

Final item of curiosity... In telling CJ "...don't shuffle off in a huff.." do you feel at all embarrassed to recognise that that is your modus operandum when curious posters ask you awkward questions?

I don't expect an answer to any of these questions Polycarp - and I'm certain I'll not get any. I just thought I'd demonstrate once again your propensity for hypocrisy.

Froggie,
CJMorgan's tactic is to selectively pick other's writing out of context and turn it against the original writer. A tactic that is parasitic and opportunistic.
I've no doubt about his low IQ, judging by his warped sense of reasoning plus lack of originality, (hence the need to feed off someone else's writings)

(Merry Xmas to you!!)

*-*-*-*-*-*-
CJMorgan has averaged 3 posts per day, since 18/9/06. (Little wonder he can remember his login from month to month).
Being the prolific poster he is, CJMorgan is not a "clean skin" -- There must be a covert motive behind this man. Perhaps some sort of secretive unholy alliance is involved. Perhaps he's a "Muslim-by-association", or perhaps a cunning Muslim-in-disguise?? I make no assumption about his ethnicity either -- Welsh? blue-eye blonde? Moroccan? Pakistani?
I've enough experience to know one may not change another person's thinkings. There are silly individuals like those Socialist youth that Polycarp encountered in RMIT. I'm sure some human brains are hard-wired to be left-leaning or right-leaning, that cannot be easily altered. Nor will most people open to change. I personally know someone a bit like CJMorgan when it comes to Islam. The one I know comes across as cowardly, gets traumatised easily when threatened and cannot cope. To me, what's important is to identify and isolate no-hopers like that; and treat them as a "sound-board", primarily for educating others.
*-*-*-*-*-*-

Bigmal,
I thought it was being diplomatic to say difficult Koranic texts make for a secure job for the priestly caste. I believe the main cause is Mohammed's illiteracy. As a warrior leader, I'm sure Mohammed must be smart enough to know that he needed to deliberately make text difficult to understand (to achieve a semblance of "sophistication"), to give a false impression that instructions originated from Allah.

(Merry Xmas to you also!!)

Polycarp,
I only noticed your existence a couple of days ago. I was puzzled why socialist-youth mob targeted you like they used to attack BOAZ. Now I know.
I'm somewhat curious about your 8-year stink in Malaysia.

(Merry Christmas to you!!)