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Not another wave of Islamophobia please! : Comments

By Alice Aslan, published 17/12/2008

Islamophobia still dominates any debate on Islam and Muslims in Australia, and the terrorist attacks in India are likely to exacerbate this.

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I'M weeping.. don't worry about our Lord.. he is robust :)

Why am I ripping my hair out here?

Simple.. what the heck has the Cronulla Riots got to do with this thread?

errr.. nating.... nada..zip...

The Cronulla PROTEST.. was not about "Muslims" but the behavior over a long period of time of 'PEOPLE'. Knowing the mentality of some Maronite Lebanese.. the chances of some of them being mixed up in the behavior on racial grounds would be quite high.

The Cronulla PROTEST was triggered.. as in..the straw which broke the camels back.. by the bashing of the life guards by a particular ETHNIC group... it just so happened that they were also (from reports) Muslim.

That it all then spiralled out of control along racial and partly religious lines is history.

All this underlines forcefully the dangers and stupidity of encouraging cultural difference.

ISLAMOPHOBIA..is the "Irrational" fear.... so finally back to the topic.

There is nothing 'irrational' about the well founded fear of Muslims if you are Jewish "The last hour/Muslims kill the Jews"..
If ur Christian "Fight those who do not believe in Allah (etc) even if they are people of the book"(Jews&Christians)
"Kill them whereever you find them" (Polytheists/atheists)

Now..just on an issue of 'context'.. the last partial verse dome from good old Surah 9 which beGINS with Mohammad declaring "Allah as declared null and void all peace treaties" (paraphrase) THEN...just like NOW.."HAMAS has declared an end to the cease fire with Israel"
and of course.. the rockets and mortars began to fly.

IRRATIONALITY is that condition where the Author, CJ, Perilous,Bushbasher and ilk can look at a duck and say "woof woof" :)
(but still have a nice Chrissy CJ)
Posted by Polycarp, Monday, 22 December 2008 12:07:30 PM
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CJMorgan has posted over 2600 posts since 18/9/06...but so little new ideas...That has led me to believe CJMorgan is genuinely incapable of analysing complex issues. Hence his inability to relate Islam to being a root cause in Cronulla riot.

Conclusion-- CJMorgan has low IQ.

Albert Einstein & Laws of Physics-- An object is in constant motion/velocity, until a force acts on the object causing it to accelerate/decelerate.

Constant motion/velocity is quite "useless" because no work is performed. It's a FORCE acting on the object that matters because it performs work, causing the object to change behaviour.

In similar ways, a Muslim who's sexually-liberal/feminist/alcoholic/homosexual/single/career-minded is just that-- a common human, static in her way of enjoying an earthly living.

But what WILL change her behaviour is a constant FORCE.

Over time, her non-Islamic behaviours will be curtailed by various forces of Islam-- Her liberal companions become fewer; Families constantly presuade her to be more Islamic; Muslim communities bring pressure to bear; Imams try counselling her; Muslims around become explicit with threats; New Islamic edicts go against her behaviour; She's watched by secret Islamist morality squad.

Eventually she'll have NO CHOICE but to change according to all the Islamic forces.

You see...Existence of some "goodie-Muslims" actually does not prove Islam is good.
Rather, a possible tranformation of "goodies" to carry out unspeakable atrocities is testimony to evil forces within Islam!!

One day, perhaps a female suicide bomber will destroy Sydney Harbour Bridge, killing many.

Most people will puzzle how a previously sexually-liberal/alcoholic/homosexual female could ever be transformed to carry out such a terrorist act.

Nursel will argue wider Muslim communities should not apologise for actions of the suicide bomber because there're Muslims who are sexually-liberal/feminist/alcoholic/homosexual/single/career-minded, just like non-Muslims.
Pericles will be first to support Nursel's defense.
CJMorgan will stoically said: "How, exactly, did the religion of Islam contribute to that?"

And together, all three will blame non-Muslims for marginalising Australian Muslims, for causing that female to turn to extremist views; and also blame the police for not doing their jobs.
Posted by G Z, Monday, 22 December 2008 1:44:39 PM
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As someone who watches public administration and environmental law, let me take this discussion into another different, but, related direction.

Some years ago, Narwee High School (NSW, the alma mater of former Premier Morris Iemma) was closed as the majority ethic community made it effectively a 'no anglo' zone. This may or may not have been a deliberate move, however, what eventuated was that a Muslim group and Newington College sought to have the stewardship of the school transferred from the State to them.

Not wanting to be seen to favour one group over the other, the school was sold to Landcom and is currently being redeveloped for medium density housing. This position was then adopted as a (de facto) State policy - ie. any State school closure would not allow another private school to be established on the same site.

Recently, the Muslim community clandestinely purchased State land for the development of a school in Bass Hill and was recently allowed by the Land & Environment Court to develop a school on the site, despite Council refusal and being contrary to Government policy.

The question is, why has this been allowed, and would another school/ ethnic community have tried this and succeeded?

A similar development at Camden has also captured the public imagination. Some bus companies, via the Local Traffic Committee, have sought comment regarding the 'busing' in of students in exclusive male and female buses.

Do Muslims get a raw deal? Not compared to Christians in other countries. We have and allow the rule of law to assist all and sundry.

The fundamental issue that perplexes us all is how do you, in a society that allows free choice, cater for those who, at their earliest chance, will have that option taken away from us ?
Posted by Reality Check, Monday, 22 December 2008 5:01:08 PM
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Reality Check

That story is a local variant of what is happening on a global scale. The Saudis are pouring billions into the building of mosques and schools all over the western world.

But it is quite impossible for any western group to build a non Islamic edifice in Saudi arabia.There is NO reciprocity.

Further Muslims living in any western country can go anywhere at anytime in exactly the same as any other citizen. There is no discrimination of any sort.

But in Saudi Arabia the traffic signs to Mecca and Medina make non Muslims peel off and take different route.

Whilst Saudi Arabai is by far the worst,similar situations exist in other Islamic states, to varying degrees.

The fear that most western adminstrations have is that the schools that are built and controlled by the local Muslim community, end up teaching an extreme variant of Islam because that part of the curriculum is the condition attaching to the money.

This link from Hudson Institute on Saudi educational intolerance makes interesting reading.

http://www.hudson.org/files/pdf_upload/saudi_textbooks_final.pdf
Posted by bigmal, Monday, 22 December 2008 7:57:35 PM
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GZ

CJ Morgan only appears to have a low IQ, because his brain is scrambled, by having to believe, due to his need for political correctness, in things contrary to the facts. When the facts go against what he believes, well, for him, it is the facts that have to change and hence his need to re-write history.

His inability to understand the real causes of the Cronulla affair, and also his ability to ignore the Muslim racist incidents which occurred after it, are ample evidence of this neural failure.

Now, if he, Bushbasher and Mr Periwinkle could only get past this PC disease, they would start to see things in the cold light of reality.

Enough of your calumny and effete nonsense, CJ Morgan! Stand up for your own culture- unless, of course you are a Muslim writing under a Welsh pseudonym :-)

Back to the subject:

More and more people are waking up to the threat posed by Islamic fundamentalism, and I believe the only way to counter this fundamentalism is to be strong and not give an inch.

No more mosques, no more Islamic schools, no more Muslim immigration, no more Korans and definitely NO to Sharia law.

The ONLY law to be obeyed in this country is Australian law, legislated by the Australian people through their democratic right to vote.

Any Muslim heard, read or seen to express hate-speech inciting violence against Australia, its western way of life or any other ethnicity or religion should be expelled immediately or sentenced to an extremely long term in prison.

The word “Kuffir” or anything similar shall be immediately black listed, and any Moslem saying it should be arrested and charged with racist speech.

No appeasement, no prevarication and no political correctness.

The moderate Muslims will eventually thank us for eliminating the extremists and we will not need to proceed to sterner measures in the future.
Posted by Froggie, Monday, 22 December 2008 9:12:59 PM
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While I make no claims to genius, unlike G Z (or gz, GZ Tan, GZA1312 etc) I can at least remember my login from one month to the next. And also unlike him I don't believe in fairy stories,

Some recent Islamophobic sputterings from this thread:

G Z: << One day, perhaps a female suicide bomber will destroy Sydney Harbour Bridge, killing many.
>>

Enough said.

Reality Check: << Recently, the Muslim community clandestinely purchased State land for the development of a school >>

What, the entire "Muslim community"? How did they do so "clandestinely"?

bigmal: << The Saudis are pouring billions into the building of mosques and schools all over the western world. >>

And Christians have been building churches and schools all over the world for how many centuries?

froggie: << The word “Kuffir” or anything similar shall be immediately black listed, and any Moslem saying it should be arrested and charged with racist speech. >>

And you clowns reckon that Islam is a fascist ideology?

Those are only the most recent Islamophobic blatherings from our resident bigots, who are clearly terrified of Islam - or are pretending to be, having found a convenient focus for their repressed xenophobic bigotry.

If they were for real, they'd be arguing against the pernicious influence of all religion in Australian civil and social life, rather than than targeting the one that just happens to be followed principally by brown-skinned people who have emigrated here relatively recently.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Monday, 22 December 2008 9:56:23 PM
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