Houellebecq,

Just put this link again so that others may read it in full.

http://www.aic.gov.au/publications/tandi2/tandi344t.html

The changing attitudes are no doubt reflected in proposed changes towards the need to gain explicit consent.

The community attitude to the Bulldogs and other footy clubs and players is understandable given the long list of offences attributed to them. I posted the link before.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rugby_league_incidents

http://fulltext.ausport.gov.au/fulltext/2004/abc/s1100551.asp

If any of the clubs are doing something to get footballers back to being community icons for all the best reasons than good on them (at last), whatever the motive (possibly sponsorship concerns).

Here is another story that got published in the Sydney Morning Herald: “A lost jacket and a stolen heart”. Who believes the garbage that gets printed in the Fairfax press these days? Once upon a time Fairfax used to produce very respectable broadsheet newspapers. Now it will publish any trash including that written by Adele Horin. Needless to say I stopped buying it long ago.

Out of the alleged sexual assault on Nina Funnell and lost jacket stories which do you think is the more credible? I go for the lost jacket story myself and not just because the teller is much more appealing.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/lifeandstyle/a-lost-jacket-mystery-man-and-a-stolen-heart/2009/01/17/1231609053191.html

To view the video, go to http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=zQybOsM-7Qw

Is the OLO alleged sexual assault article authored by Nina Funnell, a “viral ad” for the NSWRCC?

You've been had: Sydney Cinderella's 'jacket man' exposed as viral ad
http://www.smh.com.au/news/home/technology/sydney-cinderellas-jacket-man-exposed/2009/01/20/1232213599896.html

pynchme,

Man you're funny. Even in the face of your whole argument imploding by the use of evidence you provided, you still attempt to sidestep. Hoist with your own petard!

First you say in a court of law a *defendent* has to prove their innocence. When that old saying 'innocent until proven guilty' is brought up, you sidestep by saying the '*community*'s assumption of 'consent' is the deciding factor.

You state 'attitudes, beliefs and biases' are the problem, but only if those biases favour the defendent.

If the the jury are silly enough *not* to assume rape (guilt), even so much as '*query*[ing] a claim of non-consent if a complainant did not verbalise it or physically resist. ', then that's a problem? I'd say it's a healthy judicial system.

Then when asked how you can measure this community's assumption factor (leaving out the issue of how you quantify what bearing it has on actual trials) you come up with a report with figures that actually show that the majority (even the vast majority in some cases) of people show attitudes that would align their 'attitudes, beliefs and biases' with the prosecution anyway.

When this is pointed out, you retort with 'The *changing* attitudes are no doubt reflected in proposed changes towards the need to gain explicit consent.'

Thank you. That's the best laugh I've had all day.

Triple j:Hack :Saturday, 15 November 2008, 12:00:00 AM

“It's estimated only around 15% of sexual assault victims report the crime to police, and by far most victims are women. This week Hack takes a look at why so many women don't report the crime. Ronan Sharkey talks to a young woman who was sexually assaulted and did report.”

http://mpegmedia.abc.net.au/triplej/tv/hack_sexualAssault.mp4

It should come as no surprise that the “young woman” in this video clip is Nina Funnell. Note what is not disclosed in the video clip and that is the material fact that Ms Funnell is on the management committee of the NSWRCC. Whilst you’re at it take a look at the manageress of the NSWRCC, Karen Willis. You couldn’t find a more feminine woman than that, could you? From my observations these types of women’s services seem to attract this type of woman.

Houellebecq:

The law is contradictory and community attitudes are changing.

However, it's still the fact that few crimes are reported; and many fewer ever reach convicted.

Now, if you can dispense with the diversionary hysterics, please try to address the point. How are men (and some women) going to do to negotiate consent? How will people who want sex going to be able to show afterwards, should a charge of SA be made, what they did to assure themselves that the person they were with really wanted to have sex ?

Roscop:

<"Whilst you’re at it take a look at the manageress of the NSWRCC, Karen Willis. You couldn’t find a more feminine woman than that, could you? From my observations these types of women’s services seem to attract this type of woman.".

What are you saying there? What sort of woman do you mean?