Why does there have to be a solution ?
Cannot anyone understand that there may not be a solution ?

You know, every problem does not have to have a solution.
There is no rule that says so !

Well spotted Fractelle.

>>I'm simply wondering how Johnj can be expected to "grab his toys and run home" when he "doesn't have a leg to stand on.<<

You forgot that he also "sidestepped and ran for cover".

Should we perhaps institute some form of award for "Mixed Metaphor of the Year"?

It would certainly add a further dimension of enjoyment to reading Boaz's posts.

Crazy, or for the benefit of the doubt, simply thoughtless.

Like any other place, there are many old people in Israel, who are too frail to make the journey, then suffer the drastic changes to their environment.

Are you planning to just take their sons, daughters and grandchildren away and leave them alone?

What about community, family and friends that live near each other, schools and homes that people built and invested their lives into, trees that they planted and grew up with. You are suggesting to take the whole fabric of life apart for those people - would you agree to that being done to you and your family? why should they agree then?

Brian Holden writes that Islam has become unified in its hatred of Israel, implying that this happened with the establishment (by the UN) of the state of Israel as a secular Jewish state,
He could not be more wrong on when Islam started to hate Jews. Hatred of Jews and Judaism began, at least, with the establishment of Islam. Indeed, some scholars are of the opinion that, because the Koran is so filled with hatred of Jews and Judaism, that Mohammad had wanted to be accepted as a Jewish prophet, but was rejected by the local Jewish tribes, for various reasons (not the least because his message was substantially different to their own).
In revenge, he turned on the Jews and sought to destroy them, which he and his followers went to great lengths to accomplish, and at which they were remarkably successful.
When the Muslim armies came to the area the romans called Palestine in 634, whom did they find? A population the majority of whom were Christian and Jewish. The Christians had only been there around 600 years: the Jews had been there for 1500 years or more. The Jews of the Northern half of Palestine - Galilee - are the indigenous people of that area: there is no archeological evidence of any occupant people before them.
The Muslims have been there, dominating the area, for the last 1400 years. The Jews are taking back an area in which they can rightfully say to have prior claim to all others in the area, not on religious grounds, but on prior and continuous occupation, including under severe oppression by the group they most recently displaced.
Jews have no comparable connection with any other place in the world, and should be supported in liberating their homeland from their oppressors.

Camo ,
If that is your argument for the Jews continued War of Posession in the Middle East,I suggest that Aboriginal Australians with their 40-60,000 year ownership at least need a Treaty from us, the Invaders.

The the sooner the better .

We can then start emptying our jails .

Camo,

While I strongly support Israel's right to exist, I think that the argument of previous-ownership is a very weak one and should not be used.

The muslims generally did not settle those countries they conquered - they converted them instead, by coercion and by imposing a high tax on non-Muslims (in accordance with the Shariah laws). This means that those called "Palestinians" are likely to be the descendants of Jews.

In the early days of zionism, attempts were made to bring the natives back to the fold and have them integrated in Jewish society, but these were abandoned following the cold-blooded massacre of Jews in 1929 and the subsequent alliance of the local Arab leaders with Hitler.

Even then, these attempts were not completely abandoned - those natives, such as the Druze, Cherkesians and Bedouin tribes that accepted the right of Jews to live, are part of the modern state of Israel (and needless to mention, they were not required to convert).

Regardless of who was there first, it is impossibly suicidal to allow such people who side with Hitler and wish to kill you, who still today teach their little children that all Jews must be killed and prove it in their actions, to gain control over you. What other "excuses" are needed?