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Embracing China involves risks for Australia : Comments

By Peter Coates, published 5/5/2008

It seems that Kevin Rudd's Government has given China a broad degree of latitude outside normal diplomatic behaviour.

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There are 600,000 Chinese in Australia and the Chinese students put $10 billion into university coffers every year.

They came to Canberra simply because that is where the torch relay was. There is nothing even remotely sinister about that, no point trying to go to the relay in Sydney or Brisbane was there?

And for pete's sake stop romanticising Tibet and pretending it was a wonderful society before the Chinese takeover, it has always been part of China that Britain invaded over and over again in the late 1980's and early 1900's, slaughtering on the way.

Since 1959 when China stopped the slave society we have invaded Vietnam and 3 million died and many more are still dying. WE were party to or at least sat around while Pol Pot slaughtered 3 million more.

WE have invaded Iraq twice, led sanctions which killed over 1.3 million civilians and been party to the murder of another 3 million. WE boycotted Russia in 1980 for invading Afghanistan and we have now occupied Afghanistan for one Olympics and this will be the second.

The longest a child spent in our concentration camps was 5 years, 5 months and 20 days and he was Chinese.

We sent home Chinese women when they were having their second babies, at least one was forcibly aborted at 38 weeks and Vanstone simply said it was an excellent deportation.

Will the hypocrites, whiners and ranters just please remember that the Chinese in Australia have the exact same right to free speech as those we like more.
Posted by Marilyn Shepherd, Monday, 5 May 2008 1:53:17 PM
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All this 'symbolism' over competitive exercising.

A panel on climate change has no agenda?

Skepticism is integral to the scientific process.

As for being skeptical about skeptics. Whats that about?
Posted by trade215, Monday, 5 May 2008 2:58:17 PM
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Marilyn are you aware that at least some of those students were required to attend the rally in Canberra? How do I know because the Chinese student I am giving personal tuition in English to had to miss his regular time. He was told by an embassy official that he was required to attend. Those busloads were organised. The demonstration was organised and Australian democracy was (ab)used as political tool.
If those same students had tried to demonstrate in the middle of Beijing (remember Tianmen Sq?) they would have been hauled away.
Your pro-refugee views are well known (and I admire your courage if not your convictions) but please be sure of your facts.
Posted by Communicat, Monday, 5 May 2008 3:34:19 PM
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Jane,

I'd say the vast majority of Chinese National students in Australia are the obedient and compliant sons and daughters of CCP members.

As a fact of history it was Stalin's Communist forces who eventually kicked the Japs out of Northern and Eastern China. When they left they granted all the captured Japanese arms, ammunition and equipment to the Chinese communists. It was that that lead to the communist domination. Had that not occurred the struggle would have continued for decades ... Taiwan is proof. CCP hate to admit those facts and that impotence mostly accounts for their opngoing desire to 'unite' the free Taiwanese into dictatorial China.

Am I biased? Yes of course I hate injustice and detest the communal organisation of political life.
Is Kevin biased? Yes of course. He has sympathy with those aspects of Chinese communism and wants them ... for everyone else but himself and his family.
Posted by keith, Monday, 5 May 2008 3:50:37 PM
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We will burn all our coal and then we will burn yours; Chinese Premier.

We should be very wary of allowing China to buy into our resource
companies.
There is at least one attempt to buy 100% of an iron ore miner.
If they were successful they could pay a per ton price that left no profit.

This is known as transfer pricing and the government has never been
successful in stopping this practice.
There is also the problem in the future that we may want to direct
what may become scarce resources to other than China.

They have already invested in a number of oil & gas companies and I
believe coal mines. We could end up losing control of our own
resources.

With the advent of peak oil, gas & coal China has been tying up by purchase
or long term contracts most of the worlds available supply that they
could access, hence the raid on Rio Tinto.
Posted by Bazz, Monday, 5 May 2008 3:57:46 PM
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Marilyn

Your capitalist concerns are noted "the Chinese students put $10 billion into university coffers every year."

But the article is largely about the apparent trading of free speech and Australian independence for mainland Chinese money.

Now Mr Rudd is very rich and is aware China may enrich some of us further. His financial and cultural Sinophilia might be heartfelt and might be farseeing but sometimes I wonder.

The MSS are not kind and the CCP have a hard edged record. If we were mainland Chinese the MSS would have put most of us outspoken people against a wall years ago - those who had escaped the tank treads of Tiananmen that is.

Some people are pretty relaxed about fellow Australians who might also be Tibetan or Falun Gong being shouted down, pushed and prodded by screaming temporary students directed by cadres. Yes some of them were volunteers.

Yes there are many bad things the West is doing in the world but we are talking about what is going on in our country - about freedom of speech of those less fortunate - people who are less rich than Mr Rudd or Chinese Communist Party businessmen.

Other than that I think your heart is in the right place.

Regards

Peter Coates
http://spyingbadthings.blogspot.com/
Posted by plantagenet, Monday, 5 May 2008 6:19:54 PM
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